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#1 User is offline   Gpm_bg 

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Posted 2006-September-15, 06:27




South open 1, pass , 1 -> N ( or what you want to bid, but if 1 )
and try to bid and to stop to 3 which seem to be safety level, but will be good if partner doesn't have prediction skills and to stop unlogically B)
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Posted 2006-September-15, 06:41

1 1
2 2

Not perfect, but about the best you can do without double-dummying.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 07:40

Hi,

1H - 1S
2D - 2H (1)

(1) 2S should show a 6 carder

***** happens, next board.

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Posted 2006-September-15, 07:44

P_Marlowe, on Sep 15 2006, 01:40 PM, said:

(1) 2S should show a 6 carder

Hum.. "should" <> "must" B)
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Posted 2006-September-15, 08:04

In my regular partnership

1H - 1S
1NT - 3C...

1S shows 5+card suit
1NT - 12-14 semiBAL
3C - sign-off (2-way checkback in use)
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Posted 2006-September-15, 08:14

If you happen to play transfers,

1H - 1S
2C (= diamonds) - Pass

But I don't play transfers, so I'd be stuck in 2H.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 08:44

Although I am not sure of the follow-up, as it is opponent driven, one plausible auction is rather simple. Pass the 1 opening. The likelihood of a misfit is tremendous. North has a terrible hand if there is no fit. Sure, it MIGHT be the case that spades, if bid, is raised. But, if that is the case, 1 may well not be passed out.

I could imagine a great auction. 1-P-P-1NT-P-P-2-P-P-P, for instance.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 09:22

Pass could easily work out.
But the problem with passing is if partner does have spades, they opponents are less likely to protect.

Perhaps we should be playing Flannery.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 09:29

FrancesHinden, on Sep 15 2006, 10:22 AM, said:

Pass could easily work out.
But the problem with passing is if partner does have spades, they opponents are less likely to protect.

Perhaps we should be playing Flannery.

Be careful, Frances... be very careful....... strange things are rumoured to happen to those who espouse the bid that dare not say its name..... F******y

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Posted 2006-September-15, 09:55

hum.. yeah, frances. you should get a warning for mentioning the F and G words :) :P :P :P
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Posted 2006-September-15, 11:38

Now for something really different...This is how I would bid it (method on my inquiry2over1 webpage)

1H - 1NT
2D - 2NT
3C - Pass

1H = hearts normal opening
1NT = kaplan inversion, 5+ spades, fprcing
2D = too week of Ritong 2C, so bad 15 hcp or worse (generally worse)
2NT = transfer to 3C (2NT through 3D all transfer, 3D is game invite+, immediate 3H is GF)
Pass = to play

Hardly worth the effort on hands like this, but the methods exist.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 12:56

ppek, on Sep 15 2006, 09:04 AM, said:

In my regular partnership

1H - 1S
1NT - 3C...

1S shows 5+card suit
1NT - 12-14 semiBAL
3C - sign-off (2-way checkback in use)

Elianna and I would duplicate this auction, although for us 1 shows only 4+ spades (but we raise often on three-card support).

I don't think Flannery or Kaplan inversion helps quite so much here, since you're still bidding your spades in any case, making it hard to get to clubs. These conventions do help on the 4-6 type hands though (like one from another thread).
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Posted 2006-September-15, 13:58

1=5=4=3 is not semibalanced. This is a 2 suited hand...semibalanced hand can never have a stiff. :P

If you want to rebid 1nt that is fine but please do not call it a semibalanced hand. :P

I also get stuck in 2H. Would never think of pass..... :)
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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:37

Just the other day, I passed two hands like this in one round. On the first, my spades were short, the opponents bid to 2, and we missed a freak and making 4, but we might not have found it, fearing that 4 would make. On the other, we stopped low after a reopening by the opponents, for a great score.

Just two examples, out of many plausible auctions, with completely different hands. But, my gut tells me that pass works.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:59

Keep in mind on this hand the opp have an 8 card D fit and the majority of the points.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 15:20

The south hand is really a three suited hand. Your best contract is almost as likely to be in clubs as in diamonds. The problem with rebidding 2 is that it essentially eliminates clubs as a possible place to play the hand.

Elianna and I systemically rebid 1NT on three suited hands short in partner's first-bid suit (assuming the right approximate strength). This has a number of advantages, including the ability to play 1NT on a real misfit, the ability to get to the best fit much of the time, and the ability to get out at the two-level opposite some invitational hands (via 2-way nmf). This also fixes a somewhat silly frequency issue, where the 1NT rebid (the lowest call over 1-1 for example) is actually one of the least common bids (you have to be 3532-ish, and 12-14, and some of those hands even raise spades). The major disadvantage is that the 1NT call no longer promises two cards in partner's suit (making it harder to reach a 5-2 major fit when it's right, since partner will fear the 5-1, and forcing partner to go through checkback with a 6-card suit and a game force instead of just blasting). There is also some issue that 1-3 card support is a bit wide, so we need to usually raise on three card support... but this is our general style anyway and we feel it wins more than it loses.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 23:56

ppek, on Sep 16 2006, 12:04 AM, said:

In my regular partnership

1H - 1S
1NT - 3C...

1S shows 5+card suit
1NT - 12-14 semiBAL
3C - sign-off (2-way checkback in use)

Where is the semi balanced hand?

We would bid 1H 1S 2D 2H. - tough luck!
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Posted 2006-September-16, 08:31

Pass misses 6C opposite SAx HAxxxx Dxx CAKxx? Pass if PERFECT max is needed for game, not perfect middling for slam. 6-5 come alive. This scary offensive possible hand must bid.
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Posted 2006-September-16, 12:06

awm, on Sep 15 2006, 04:20 PM, said:

The south hand is really a three suited hand. Your best contract is almost as likely to be in clubs as in diamonds. The problem with rebidding 2 is that it essentially eliminates clubs as a possible place to play the hand.

I second this.
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Posted 2006-September-16, 14:03

HeartA, on Sep 16 2006, 01:06 PM, said:

awm, on Sep 15 2006, 04:20 PM, said:

The south hand is really a three suited hand. Your best contract is almost as likely to be in clubs as in diamonds. The problem with rebidding 2 is that it essentially eliminates clubs as a possible place to play the hand.

I second this.

No No No, this is not a 3 suited hand ok!
This hand is not semibalanced.

Words do have meaning in bridge :).
By definition three suited hands must be 4441 or 5440.

This is a 2 suited hand by definition. This hand is unbalanced by definition.

Of course you can bid it anyway you wish :).
Of course you can treat the hand anyway you wish :).
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