[whereagles]

pclayton, on Sep 12 2006, 04:28 PM, said:

1. Most pairs don't have a way to show a long weak minor opposite a strong club (after an intervening pass).

2. I expect the auction will start: (1♣) - pass - (1♦) - pass - (2 minor) - ? I can economically introduce hearts and pard will know I have a good hand and can intelligently proceed.

3. OTOH, if I make an intervening bid, LHO can make a NFB, or even a jump shift and we may get jammed in a minor.

1. True, but see 2.


2. In which case you already let opener show a minor. And if for some reason he has a bid for both minors, you've just transformed

1♣ 4♥ pass pass
..pass/4NT

into

1♣ pass 1♦ pass
2NT* ???

*2NT = minors

In 1st auction, opps had the last guess. In the 2nd you have the last guess.


3. Which is why if you want to overcall, you should bid 4♥. Opps can still bid over it, but there's a higher chance they won't.

[arrows]

3H, V vs NV it means you expect to make it.

I can't see why you have to commit yourself to game without consulting parter at all.

if partner has little cards, it would be bloody. Also, opponents are more likely to double you when you already in game if it's a marginal call.

[whereagles]

arrows, on Sep 12 2006, 08:10 PM, said:

1. 3H, V vs NV it means you expect to make it.

2. I can't see why you have to commit yourself to game without consulting parter at all.

3. if partner has little cards, it would be bloody. Also, opponents are more likely to double you when you already in game if it's a marginal call.

1. I think it's too restrictive to play red on white preempts as "to make". I believe it's absolutely correct to overcall 3♥ red on white with

xxx
QJT9xxxx
x
x

I don't think I'll make 3♥, but odds are opps have a slam.


2. I believe that is a misconception. Overcalls over a strong club don't invite partner to join the party. He is allowed to do so only with fit + shape or side suit.


3. I can see 8-9 tricks on my own. Besides, I couldn't live with the auction going

1♣ 3♥ dbl pass
4m ..??

or

1♣ 3♥ pass pass
4m ..??

when it might have gone respectively

1♣ 4♥ dbl pass
5m dbl

or

1♣ 4♥ pass pass
4NT/5m dbl

[Free]

The problem with 3♥ is that partner will not act when he has the right cards. It's impossible to evaluate ♠K as a trick, and ♥Qxx doesn't help a lot as well.

[bid_em_up]

whereagles, on Sep 12 2006, 11:22 AM, said:

-200/500: I don't think that's likely to happen. If something, opener will bid something. People are quicker to bid than to double when they have points + shape (which opener seems to have).

Trying playing in higher level competition then, because I promise you, its going to happen more frequently than you think.

[whereagles]

I think you're giving opps too much credit, especially without knowing who they are

[kes]

"PLAYING NATURAL" - do you include Dbl ? I suppose not.

I would double and bid 4H later . The hand is too strong for a direkt 4H in our agreements .