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Do u open and how do u play the hand? How do u plan the play

#1 User is offline   badderzboy 

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Posted 2006-August-21, 04:08

Scoring: MP


S....W....N...E
1♦ DBL 1♥ Pass
1♠ DBL pass pass
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corrected as per Free's request (Back to nursery for me to learn Left and right!!)

(i) do u pass or pull to 2♦?

(ii) How do u plan the play on A♣ by West followed by K♣ by East and a 3rd ♣ by East?

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Posted 2006-August-21, 04:13

who are you, what is LHO and RHO,... you seem to bid counter clockwise :D Just type the auction plz, it will be A LOT easier!
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Posted 2006-August-21, 04:40

I would pull to 2D
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Posted 2006-August-21, 04:47

I would pull to 2D, which may not be better, but you may play undoubled, or the opps may play in clubs or hearts.

Yes, I would have opened, but in standard bidding it is close, and I would expect many to pass.


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Posted 2006-August-21, 11:50

I would pull to 2D which is better than 1S. Playing 1S, my D suit would become garbage.
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Posted 2006-August-21, 12:29

I'd pass: partner already agreed to play ♠...

On the 3rd ♣ I think I'll play ♣J and discard a ♥, followed by a ♦ to set up my crossruff.
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Posted 2006-August-21, 12:37

Free, on Aug 21 2006, 09:29 PM, said:

I'd pass: partner already agreed to play ♠...

On the 3rd ♣ I think I'll play ♣J and discard a ♥, followed by a ♦ to set up my crossruff.

ditto
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Posted 2006-August-21, 16:11

If you play that a new suit after a double is non-forcing, then 1♠ is a very bad bid. Your partner could be with 2=6=2=3 and very few points. If your partner would start with a redouble with 10+ points, then your opps have more points than you. Why bid all the suits when you have neither points, nor a chance to find a fit?

I would prefer that the opps play in spades. This could easily happen if you allow them to make a mistake. Pass 1H, then if it goes Dbl-Pass-Pass to you, bid 2♦. This provides the opps with another chance to err, and points to the suit that you really would prefer to be lead if opps buy the contract.

What would a third double mean if there are two unbid suits? Are you sure they'd be sure? You could even escape without a dbl in 2♦. How would opps know you don't have a 6:2 fit?

Now I really don't know what to do, so I'd probably pass.
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Posted 2006-August-21, 16:14

Didn't read the original post carefully, thought 1H got doubled. I agree that South should pass 1H and run into 2D if 1H got dbled and passed to me.

Edit: I wouldn't open with South's hand either. In rare case when I opened, I would not introduce my S suit after RHO dbled and pd bid 1H.
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Posted 2006-August-21, 16:38

i'd pass also... of course i'd have opened 1S to start with ;)
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Posted 2006-August-21, 17:37

I slightly prefer to pass originally. OK OK rule of 20..but I have only 1.5 QT and a dblton queen and mediocre spots.

With the bidding given I don't pull to 2D since PD has said he is OK with playing 1S and must have 3 of them.

This auction is an example of what can happen when you open 1m on subminimal (for me) values. I won't criticize PD is he/she opens this, but I'd pass.
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Posted 2006-August-22, 00:24

I would pass not open this hand and I would play 1 Spade X now.

Many people here play, that 1 Heart from pd was forcing, so I have much understanding for the 1 Spade bid.

Frees line of play seems to be correct.
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Posted 2006-August-22, 22:11

I will pass 1S. A 2D bid will be doubled and be one level higher, and I see at least 6 losers.
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Posted 2006-August-23, 01:13

HeartA, on Aug 21 2006, 10:14 PM, said:

Didn't read the original post carefully, thought 1H got doubled. I agree that South should pass 1H and run into 2D if 1H got dbled and passed to me.

Edit: I wouldn't open with South's hand either. In rare case when I opened, I would not introduce my S suit after RHO dbled and pd bid 1H.

Pd's 1H is foricing so you cannt pass it.
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Posted 2006-August-23, 04:05

I prefer bidding 2♦. It's always safer when I'm at the wheel :)
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Posted 2006-August-28, 07:51

Do I understand this correctly? The play begins top club on my left, then small on my left to a top club on my rigth, then a small club on my right? That appears to be what you are saying, but Free's line, endorsed my many, seems to assume two top clubs on the left then a third club.


Anyway, if I understand it correctly the defense seems odd. Is lho really about to ruff? Making him 4-4-3-2? If he does, I don't mind since he was probably getting that fourth spade of his anyway, depending on what the spots are. I pitch a heart. If he ruffs and leads a spade I rise and start on diamonds. If he follows to the club, I am on the board and start on diamonds. I hope to either develop diamonds or set up a crossruff. It's a little hard to count tricks here, but this seems promising to me. The spade spots might matter a lot here, as often they do in a 4-3 fit.
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Posted 2006-August-28, 09:50

whereagles, on Aug 23 2006, 05:05 AM, said:

I prefer bidding 2♦. It's always safer when I'm at the wheel ;)

Since you are also on the wheel, when play 1S,
this argument does not count much.

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Posted 2006-August-28, 10:19

Since I too would open this mish-mosh 1 D (rule of 20) my other criterion is that I have a suitable re-bid. When the auction gets back to me, my choices are 1S and 2D. Since the auction to date has not denied the chance of a 4-4 S fit, I will rebid 1S. Since I bid it and pard passed it, I have no problem with playing 1S doubled.

I will also follow the line where I pitch a H and try to make as many trump tricks as I can. Why LHO did not lead a S initially gives me hope for a nice plus score...
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Posted 2006-August-28, 10:41

P_Marlowe, on Aug 28 2006, 03:50 PM, said:

whereagles, on Aug 23 2006, 05:05 AM, said:

I prefer bidding 2♦. It's always safer when I'm at the wheel ;)

Since you are also on the wheel, when play 1S,
this argument does not count much.

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ahem.. you're right.. lol.

Still, I prefer a 6-1 or 6-2 fit to a 4-3 one. And if pard has 4 spades, he can always put me back into spades.
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