[HeartA]

Walddk, on Aug 3 2006, 12:51 PM, said:

I usually shrug and pass when I don't understand a bid, and I certainly do not understand 5♣. He deserves to play there!

While Roland makes a lot good comments here. This doesn't make sense. Whatever it means (I don't understand either), it certainly doesn't mean to play 5C (surely a cue-bid). And to leave pd to play 5C is as insulting as to leave the table after pd bid 5C.

[benlessard]

IMHO

here what the bid means


PASS= its means that you dont know what a cue-bids is

5D = its means you dont know what a VOID is

5H = You are insecure or you know partner will bid slam anyway

5S = is a q-bid it doesnt show 3cards its show a wilingness to play 7 but says you believe your ace of spades is a more important feature then your clubs void as if your partner cannot guess you have the ace of spades anyway.

5nt is pick a slam like 6 weakish diamond or 5 diamonds and 4 good hearts.

so if you dont want to play 7 you should bid 6d since your diamond are good.


6c = CORRECT BID meaning first round controls willingness to play 7 (implied spade control that your partner know anyway)


6d = you dont believe in grand slam or youre leading the match by a ton of imps.


7d = make sense but its a bit of a gamble imho.



anyway i see no reason not to bid 6clubs. 6 in the red should be icy and if partner bid 7 it think it will make.


Ben

[kenberg]

I guess people who have discussed this auction beforehand (all those who have please raise their hands) might work out various ways to deal with the possibility that opener might or might not have first round control in both black suits. Clearly either 5S or 6C is pointless unless a grand is envisoned. Perhaps 6C implies the ace of spades, perhaps it just shows the club control and suggests 7 if partner holds the ace of spades. Perhaps 5S suggests seven, allowing partner to either bid 7 if he holds the ace of clubs or to bid 5N waiting for more info if his 5C was on a stiff. Perhaps one of these methods is clearly superior or is clearly the default meaning, but I don't see it as being so clear myself.

By the way, no one is really suggesting passing 5C. It occurred to me that a problem with 6C would be that partner would no doubt, given his bidding so far, raise to 7C. But I don't intend that as serious either.

I still bid 5S and I still hope to see the actual hand. Bidding is easier if at some point a person bids a suit he actually holds. I acknowledge the possibility that sometimes all this cueing might make sense, and I have given my guess as to what's going on, but "guess" is definitely the operative word.

Ken

[Winstonm]

I bid 6C. After all, if partner's suit is good enough to bid twice knowing RHO holds a stack, then I should be able to raise him on a void.

In reality, I still bid 6C. My partner is making grand slam noises and I have a suitable hand - the only way I know of to indicate this is by tossing the ball back to him while saying, O.K., I'm game if you are.