Beautiful 5530
#1
Posted 2006-August-01, 19:50
When you have beautiful 5530: ♠- ♥AKJT3 ♦K63 ♣AKJT4, you hear the bidding goes:
1♠---pass---1NT(F)---2♠ comfortable
3♠---pass---pass-----????
What will you do?
Tips:
1)If you bid anything above 4C, you'll get doubled from LHO.
2)If you double, it is not penalty. Pard will bid 4C.
Have fun.
#2
Posted 2006-August-01, 20:05
4♣.
#3
Posted 2006-August-01, 20:19
The tough decision is what to do after partner pulls the double to 4♣. I think pass is probably the percentage choice (partner could have virtually nothing here).
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#5
Posted 2006-August-01, 21:15
I agree with 2S Michaels here, since I fear 2H gets passed with hands where we have game. I think it is important to flash the 2 suited hand signal ASAP here and before the opps end up quite high in spades since we could belong in any number of clubs here.
.. neilkaz ..
#6
Posted 2006-August-01, 21:24
That being said, my vote is for 3NT. If double is not penalty (makes sense), it shows some take-out shape, right? Otherwise, I'd simply bid my minor. I expect that double includes 5530's. But, which?
One might surmise that 3NT is scrambling, such that partner can either pick a minor (5+) or ask me to pick (3NT).
The problem with this idea is that 3NT might be a viable contract. Is there, then, a better way to handle the 5530 "problem?" Sure!
Bid one 5530 through double and one through 3NT. Then, 3NT can end up the final contract. The distinguishing of specific 5530's seems much more likely than a natural 3NT call, and more useful. Thus, I would expect X and 3NT to distinguish which 5530 is held.
Now, which is which? Doubles and Unusual No Trump typically run one way. Doubles show the higher suits, and NT the lower suits. Given the force of a two-suiter with one known, it seems that double should show the higher suits (hence, diamonds) and NT the lower option (clubs). The focus should logically be on the longer suit.
Thus, if X shows specifically 0553, then 3NT shows 0535, which I hold.
Thus, 3NT.
Who wants the pipe next?
-P.J. Painter.
#7
Posted 2006-August-02, 03:07
kenrexford, on Aug 1 2006, 10:24 PM, said:
That being said, my vote is for 3NT. If double is not penalty (makes sense), it shows some take-out shape, right? Otherwise, I'd simply bid my minor. I expect that double includes 5530's. But, which?
......
Thus, 3NT.
Reasonable, the double on 3S was passed on the next table, and 3S made with no problem. However, 3NT is too cold to be listed as an option
Now come to part II:
You doubled, and pard bid 4C, are you crazy enough to bid 5C? AWM said no, how about you?
♠- ♥AKJT3 ♦K63 ♣AKJT4
1♠---pass---1NT(F)---2♠ comfortable
3♠---pass---pass-----double
pass--4♣----pass-----???
#8
Posted 2006-August-02, 03:29
#9
Posted 2006-August-02, 06:42
If 3NT would have been Lebensohl-ish, a weak relay to my minor, then 4♣ is constructive. With this agreement, I raise.
If 3NT would be passable, then 4♣ seems to be the lowest paradox option, and I will pass.
If 3NT is scrambling, and 4♣ natural (the double showing some unknown 5530), then we have a 10-fit in clubs. Expecting something like 3235, I need very little to make game and will find out at jeopardy.
-P.J. Painter.
#11
Posted 2006-August-02, 08:11
Having doubled 1NT, I would bid 4H over 3S.
If instead I bid 2S over 1NT, I would then double 3S and pass 4C.
#12
Posted 2006-August-02, 08:27
On this analysis, I need very little to make game... xxxx xx xx xxxxx may be enough.
If partner bid 4♣ as P/C, then 5♣ is too much.. and I doubt that we have an explicit agreement. BTW, for those who bid 4♣ over 3♠, in my view that showed 6+♣, not a good 553.
#13
Posted 2006-August-02, 19:56
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On this analysis, I need very little to make game... xxxx xx xx xxxxx may be enough.
This is logical.
Crazy or logical, whatever, you bid 5C, LHO doubled as expected. The leading is ♦Q and you can see both hands:
N
♠-
♥AKJT3
♦K63
♣AKJT4
Leading from W: ♦Q
S
♠QTx
♥74
♦A8765
♣975
Now please move your seat across the table, how would you make the contract?
1♠---pass---1NT(F)---2♠ comfortable
3♠---pass---pass-----double
pass--4♣----pass-----5♣
double---all pass.
#14
Posted 2006-August-03, 19:15
I'd win the ♦A in hand, cash one top trump, win the ♥AK and try for two heart ruffs in hand to lose a diamond and a club. Ducking the ♦Q lead is tempting, planning to cash ♣AK and ruff one heart in hand (throwing the rest on the diamonds) but too likely to blow up spectacularly when East has a singleton diamond.

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