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I am not saying for sure the auction would go that way, hard to be unbaised seeing all the hands. But 2♦ remains xyz, I would not be in a rush to bid 3NT after the double with a single heart stopper, especially after the 3♦ bid. Without the double, the initial response would have been 1♥, then auction same.
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Posted 2006-August-03, 18:46
I am not saying for sure the auction would go that way, hard to be unbaised seeing all the hands. But 2♦ remains xyz, I would not be in a rush to bid 3NT after the double with a single heart stopper, especially after the 3♦ bid. Without the double, the initial response would have been 1♥, then auction same.
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Posted 2006-August-03, 19:06
Isn't xyz wonderful ?!? It makes bidding a hand like this easy regardless of whether the opps intervened or not. Less need to play invm with a 4 card major and less need for some 4sf bid, and no ambiguity as to GF in some sequences, and ability to pattern out at a low level, leaving room for Q's or, in this case, the very useful Kickback 4♦.
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Posted 2006-August-04, 10:18
I'm of the "1♥ forcing" school 
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Posted 2006-August-04, 10:39
Echognome, on Aug 3 2006, 06:43 PM, said:
Parter's hand was
KQxx
x
AKx
QJxxx
Find 6♣ in the uncontest and then the contested auction.
KQxx
x
AKx
QJxxx
Find 6♣ in the uncontest and then the contested auction.
It seems the same with or without opp bidding. Again no need for xyz just go through 4sf.
1c=1h
1s=2d
2nt=3c
3d=3s
4d=4h
6c=p
2d=4sf to game
3c=slam try in clubs
3d, 3s=cue
4d=rkc
4h=0-3
Wow everyone really has fancy bids other than 1H on this auction.
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Posted 2006-August-04, 11:06
We don't play 4sf to game, but it still seems a pretty easy slam to bid
1C (x) 1H
1S 2D
3D/3NT 4C
4D 4S
4NT* 6C
2D = fs not forcing to game
3D = extras, not certain about NT (or 3NT, extras good d stops, not sure which I would bid)
4C natural slam try, 4D/4S cue bids, 4NT discouraging, 6C OK you haven't got a heart void and we aren't making grand. (If you don't play encouraging/discouraging then you can just finish 5C - 6C)
The take-out double makes it easier rather than harder, because responder is happier to be in slam opposite two low hearts.
1C (x) 1H
1S 2D
3D/3NT 4C
4D 4S
4NT* 6C
2D = fs not forcing to game
3D = extras, not certain about NT (or 3NT, extras good d stops, not sure which I would bid)
4C natural slam try, 4D/4S cue bids, 4NT discouraging, 6C OK you haven't got a heart void and we aren't making grand. (If you don't play encouraging/discouraging then you can just finish 5C - 6C)
The take-out double makes it easier rather than harder, because responder is happier to be in slam opposite two low hearts.
AFTER 1♣ - (Dbl) - They pass.. .so remember the double... here is our bids
1♣ - 1♦*
1♠* - 2♦**
3♦$ - 4♣$$
4♦ $$$- 4♠#
* without the double, the bid is 1♥, here 1♦ shows hearts if they doubled
** 1♠ - unbalanced hand, 4♠'s
*** 2♦ xyz, game force, same after double or not
$ 3♦ shape out, shows 3♦ here, as with 4144 open 1D, could be 4045 too
$$ 4♣ still game force, sets trumps slam try
$$$ 4♦ - RKCB
#4♠ - 0-3 key cards, must be three
6♣ - keycard to lose.