[sceptic]

Ok I am fed up, why do experts call me names in tourneys when I do something stupid, if I had expert on my profile, I could understand it, but I only put intermediate on there, as that is the level I believe I am

The reason that I am posting this is because, I was in a pay indy and don't expect this sort of crap from a star.

STAR idiot p

ME why thx you asshole

ME you are very rude I will report you

STAR F you

STAR F you

If you dont want to play with idiots like me do not play in INDYS

BOYCOTT SKY CLUB

rant over

p.s. This delightful; character was called [edited] flying an [edited] flag

This post has been edited by Gerardo: 2006-July-05, 04:50

[cherdano]

Wayne, send the chat log (should be a file sceptic_chat.txt in your BBO folder, of course best to edit it by only extracting the relevant part) to abuse@ and Fred (since it's a star). Then he will be dealt with appropriately, you can forget about it and move on to more fun bridge.

Arend

[sceptic]

may be delete this post, I was just really pissed with him

I will send to abuse
#

and maybe get myself a ban for refering to him as an asshole , but what the heck, if I thought before opening my trap, I would be a diplomat haha

[Walddk]

I don't know if the F and I-words are better or worse than the A-word, but you should obviously not have responded the way you did. I understand your frustration, but the best thing you can do is to ignore it and send a report to abuse@ as soon as possible.

Roland

[kenberg]

I deplore the rudeness that sometimes occurs in life and in bridge. That being said, I think after you call someone an asshole, whether or not the description is apt, you cannot expect the conversation will go well.

So I would hold your partner responsible for the rudeness of calling you an idiot, but I think the subsequent conversation is at least in part your responsibility. You cannot have it both ways. You can be silent with the first rudeness and report him, or you can take off your coat and start (figuratively) punching, but I don't think you should do both.

Ken

[cherdano]

kenberg, on Jul 5 2006, 03:36 PM, said:

I deplore the rudeness that sometimes occurs in life and in bridge. That being said, I think after you call someone an asshole, whether or not the description is apt, you cannot expect the conversation will go well.

So I would hold your partner responsible for the rudeness of calling you an idiot, but I think the subsequent conversation is at least in part your responsibility. You cannot have it both ways. You can be silent with the first rudeness and report him, or you can take off your coat and start (figuratively) punching, but I don't think you should do both.

Ken

Of course Wayne shouldn't have replied the way he did, but I don't think BBO wants to have a star next to players who call an intermediate partner "idiot" because he made a mistake in an individual.

Arend

[fred]

cherdano, on Jul 5 2006, 01:57 PM, said:

kenberg, on Jul 5 2006, 03:36 PM, said:

I deplore the rudeness that sometimes occurs in life and in bridge. That being said, I think after you call someone an asshole, whether or not the description is apt, you cannot expect the conversation will go well.

So I would hold your partner responsible for the rudeness of calling you an idiot, but I think the subsequent conversation is at least in part your responsibility. You cannot have it both ways. You can be silent with the first rudeness and report him, or you can take off your coat and start (figuratively) punching, but I don't think you should do both.

Ken

Of course Wayne shouldn't have replied the way he did, but I don't think BBO wants to have a star next to players who call an intermediate partner "idiot" because he made a mistake in an individual.

Arend

Agree - He sounds like a prime candidate for unstarring.

Wayne, if you send me his ID by e-mail (fred@bridgebase.com) I will take care of it.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[civill]

Now,I would suggest that BBO on-line bridge software should add an instant button on abuse.

That will help us all.

[sceptic]

emailling abuse works

[howsthaat]

I find the best method to make them "pull their heads in" is to ask them "Excuse me but just what is it that you are expert in?"I have found that most "experts"in BBO are really just "legends in their lunchtimes".

[neilkaz]

A few tips for all, and especially for inters playing with "experts".

1) LIST what you play, most experts can do it your way so why make them guess.
I'm advanced+ (if I defended better, and was more familiar with defences to non 2/1/SAYC systems, I'd call myself an expert)..and as an example, it really is frustrating to play with someone listing an American flag (like mine) who obviously is fluent in English and who lists absolutely nothing as to what they play, and often takes me 3 times asking as to what they do play to which they reply "Basic SAYC" and I am left to guess whether they play J2NT and whether 1m-2NT is GF or 10+ to 12 invite ..etc etc.

1a) With the above in mind, how hard is it to learn BB Basic ? Answer.. not very hard.

2) Determine what carding you'll use. If just standard carding, please say so ! Along the same lines, signal attitude aggressively. It really is frustrating when I lead the K and PD has the Ace and plays the deuce !!

3) Realize that you and PD are on the same team. If you pushed a bit to invite game and he pushed a bit to accept it, and then guessed wrong trying to make it and went -2, be sympathetic and say "nice try PD, I was a bit aggressive with my invite".

4) When you make a mistake or even missguess, saying "I'm sorry PD" goes a long way towards helping the partnership and also lets your PD know that you have a clue and realize that you likely erred.

5) Don't be clueless..ie..I played a few hands, with an Adv PD and we even had a discussion about 2/1 gadgets. All went well until the following unopposed bidding 1H-1NTF-4H-4S by me which was passed !!! My PD stated that I could have a long spade suit and that she bid 4H due to "fast arrival" (having 7H and about 14 HCP). My hand was on the borderline between a 2/1 GF and a very good 3 card limit raise so I probed for slam (needing a 2nd round D control). 4S obviously was a disaster and 5H was 100% cold as expected. When I asked how many spades 1NT showed, again I was told that I could have a long spade suit for my bidding.
LOL we all know it is 3 spades max. Don't act clueless, and don't pass obvious Q bids.

6) Work on your declarer play. Watching a decently played hand or two as dummy, goes a long way towards respecting your PD.

Just some experiences..feel free to agree or disagree ... neilkaz ...

[jocdelevat]

I tried before to put bbo basic and i confuse more partners(usually intermediates my level) than with basic sayc. I think we(beginner-intermediates) have to put in our profile what is a comomn system and add options just in case you play and advanced or expet players(most of the time in indy tourney). I understand that playing with experts is more challenging and I can learn more from his/her play but at the same time I can destroy his/her fun with my mistakes which I cannot avoid so I denny invites for level higher than mine most of the time.

best regards
jocdelevat

[kenberg]

jocdelevat,

I play some in indies, and I am always happy when partner, whether an expert or otherwise, says "Sure, SAYC will be fine". For a regular partnership it's another story of course.

Ken

[zasanya]

Why dont people use the full disclosure convention cards provided by bbo?
I use them in main club as well as team matches.I do not know if they are permitted in tournaments as I never play tournaments.Avoids all confusion.

[Free]

zasanya, on Jul 24 2006, 07:11 AM, said:

Why dont people use the full disclosure convention cards provided by bbo?
I use them in main club as well as team matches.I do not know if they are permitted in tournaments as I never play tournaments.Avoids all confusion.

Hard to use a FD file in indi's...