Find your bid after RHO preempts 3D
#2
Posted 2006-July-21, 12:56
Wrong ♦ holding and wrong suit for an overcall. Utterly wrong for a double: what do you intend to bid over 3♥?
Tempting to bid 3♠... and I might choose that if partner were an unpassed hand, but that suit.... ugh....
BTW, it would never occur to me that 4♣ could be both blacks... and, having had it occur to me, I don't like it.
Sure, the need and opportunity for a 4♣ natural overcall may be limited, but having a 10-trick black two suiter unsuited for a 3♠ overcall is not exactly common.
And what hand does it show, if two-suited? Is it forcing: if so, then it becomes even less frequent. If not, it seems that it is going to apply only to a very, very small number of hands.
FBTW (further by the way): I hope I passed quickly (in tempo... after the due delay needed by the stop bid)... if I tanked, I might 'have to' bid 3♠
#4
Posted 2006-July-21, 13:09
mikeh, on Jul 21 2006, 08:56 PM, said:
Sure, the need and opportunity for a 4♣ natural overcall may be limited, but having a 10-trick black two suiter unsuited for a 3♠ overcall is not exactly common.
And what hand does it show, if two-suited? Is it forcing: if so, then it becomes even less frequent. If not, it seems that it is going to apply only to a very, very small number of hands.
I think it is common e.g. in Netherlands to play 4C as C + major, 5/5, forcing. Part of the idea is that with only a club suit, it is not such a bad idea anyway to double and hope partner bids 3NT ("thrump double"). Of course, double becomes even less shape specific playing this style.
Arend
#5
Posted 2006-July-21, 13:23
Suit quality test fails the hand despite the lovely hcp...very sad to have to pass with that hand..
#6
Posted 2006-July-21, 14:28
#7
Posted 2006-July-22, 02:05
#8
Posted 2006-July-22, 02:44
and dbl?
The only suit you want to hear is spades,
over 3H, bidding 3S would show a stronger
hand and a stronger suit.
You may be able to lie about your strength or
your suit quality and may still survive,
but lying about both, is a sure way to loose
control about the auction.
With regards
Marlowe
PS: 4C should show 5-5.
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#9
Posted 2006-July-22, 07:01
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Posted 2006-July-22, 09:25
#11
Posted 2006-July-22, 10:31
Sometimes pre-empts are effective. Live with it. When fixed, stay fixed.
Roland
#12
Posted 2006-July-22, 11:36
Partner won't usually protect on this auction without a singleton or void diamond, so 3D is going to be passed out a lot of the time you have a vulnerable game.
My second choice is double and bid 3S over 3H. I'm a bit light for this, the way I play it, but not hugely so - it's certainly what I would if the hand had the same high cards but better distributed (AQJxx Kx xx KQJx say).
#14
Posted 2006-July-23, 19:41
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