[mike777]

I can understand only making one and then passing, partner never has 17.

[hrothgar]

mike777, on Jul 22 2006, 02:17 AM, said:

I can understand only making one and then passing, partner never has 17.

I don't like transfering to spades and then passing

If you assume that this hand is only worth a part score, I strongly prefer Stayman, followed by 2♥ over 2♦.

Equally significant, as many folks will note, the hand revalues if you find partner sitting on a 4 card major. Even if you don't like bumping a 2♥ response to 3♥, it seems clear to raise partner if he shows 4 spades

[mike777]

I can understand bidding 2c as my one bid and passing over 3c as my second bid.

Add in the potential confusion of whether Smolen is on or not over 3c and just what x should show, takeout, penalty or cooperative.

If you have discussed this auction and all these bids are clear cut that is another matter.


I just strongly disagree that you must do something over 3clubs. Must is a strong word.

[Winstonm]

I think even undiscussed that double would just be card showing takeout - you don't get rich doubling for penalty when the opponents have bid a raised a suit so it makes better sense to double for takeout and let pard convert in these types of auctions.