[adhoc3]

Scoring: IMP

pass(1)---1NT----pass---2C
pass(2)---2S---pass---4S
4NT(3).....

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The 1NT opening was ridiculous so there'll be no full hand analysis. Assume it's normal, when would you take part into the dance?

[SoTired]

#2. Don't let them find their fit/non-fit and confuse the auction at a safer level. #3 is the worst. For all you know, you have just saved opps from a hopeless 4S contract that is getting a 50 trump break. If you don't come in with NT after 2C, pass 4S.

On full moon days, you might open a weak 2D and then bid 3C. But on normal days, partner bids 4S and really hates it when you mess around like this.

[neilkaz]

2NT all day long at #2 for me. Even better than we are white vs red. I want partner's cooperation in deciding what to do over 4S or even 6S. Maybe the opps plan to sign off in 2M..maybe 5m and 4S both make.

Lets bring PD into the game here, and I prefer to do it now, with 2NT, rather than wait for later with 4NT.

.. neilkaz ..

[Free]

- What is your 4NT opening?

- If I have to pass this first, I'll bid 4NT in my 2nd turn, not 2NT (what's the point of 2NT anyway?)

- 3 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late!

[neilkaz]

Free, on Jul 18 2006, 01:36 PM, said:

- What is your 4NT opening?

- If I have to pass this first, I'll bid 4NT in my 2nd turn, not 2NT (what's the point of 2NT anyway?)

- 3 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late!

I don't mind bidding 4NT first, rather than 2NT. How often are the opps not going to be cold for 4M anyhow ? And how often is 5mX a bad score ?

Anyhow...in no way do I like the slow approach to 4N. You're right, if not a direct 4NT with this hand, then when ?

[P_Marlowe]

Free, on Jul 18 2006, 01:36 PM, said:

- What is your 4NT opening?

- If I have to pass this first, I'll bid 4NT in my 2nd turn, not 2NT (what's the point of 2NT anyway?)

- 3 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late!

You do have recogniced, that your side is red,
and they are green?

Forcing to the 5 level is a good start to hand
them a nice plus score, which they are able to
collect without great pain.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Gerben42]

#2 for me. This is not a 4NT opening at these colours.

[SoTired]

4N opening bid = minors? I play 4N opening bid = pinpoint blackwood. Also, 4N response to 1x opening bid = pinpoint bw. Is it common to play 4N opening bid as unusual?

[neilkaz]

I missed who was vul, when I changed my mind and said I'd butt with 4NT rather than 2NT.

I'd still find little fault in a direct 4NT overcall, at these colors, but wouldn't bid it once the opps have started to exchange info with 2C.

How does one respond to a 4NT pinpoint blackwood opening ?

[SoTired]

5C=no aces, 5D/H/S=that ace,5N=club A, 6C=any 2 aces. Useful if you are dealt a crazy hand like AKJxxxxxx AK - KQ

[neilkaz]

SoTired, on Jul 19 2006, 12:57 PM, said:

5C=no aces, 5D/H/S=that ace,5N=club A, 6C=any 2 aces. Useful if you are dealt a crazy hand like AKJxxxxxx AK - KQ

And if you wish to find out which two aces ? It seems there is no way ?

[SoTired]

Some play the 4N opening or 4N response to 1x is regular, straight blackwood. But I think pinpoint blackwood is more likely useful on these crazy hands. I hesitate to have a more complex structure for a bid that comes up so rarely.

[Free]

Ofcourse there's a way: use the CRASH-scheme, and you can even include the 3-ace hands if you want:

5♣ = none
5♦/♥/♠ = that ace or the other 3
5NT = ♣A or the other 3
6♣ = 2 aces, same color
6♦ = 2 aces, same rank
6♥ = 2 aces, non-touching
6♠ = 4 aces

You should be able to know what partner has...

[Gerben42]

It is my view that high opening bids should show preemptive hands. With non-preemptive hands make lower opening bids. This includes these "ask for specific aces" hands.

So 4NT should be both minors, preemptive.

An alternative meaning by Sabine Auken is "minor suit Namyats", i.e. a good 5m preempt. This doesn't seem to come up that often.