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Hi all !
I present 2 situations involving a double. Would you please explain me if it is a pénalty double or not and why.
1) 1♣ 1♥ P 2♥
X
2) 1NT P P 2♥
X
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Pénalty or not
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Posted 2006-July-13, 08:42
Both doubles are take-out.
Opener can't have a hand that can take six tricks on defense - partner denied values. So it can only be take-out.
If RHO had advanced to 3♥ instead of 2♥, opener could probably hold a hand that could double for penalty. However, a take-out double is more useful, mainly because opener will hold an hand suitable for a t/o double more often.
Opener can't have a hand that can take six tricks on defense - partner denied values. So it can only be take-out.
If RHO had advanced to 3♥ instead of 2♥, opener could probably hold a hand that could double for penalty. However, a take-out double is more useful, mainly because opener will hold an hand suitable for a t/o double more often.
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Posted 2006-July-13, 08:55
NOT
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Posted 2006-July-13, 09:02
I agree 
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Posted 2006-July-13, 09:34
helene_t, on Jul 13 2006, 09:42 AM, said:
Both doubles are take-out.
Opener can't have a hand that can take six tricks on defense - partner denied values. So it can only be take-out.
If RHO had advanced to 3♥ instead of 2♥, opener could probably hold a hand that could double for penalty. However, a take-out double is more useful, mainly because opener will hold an hand suitable for a t/o double more often.
Opener can't have a hand that can take six tricks on defense - partner denied values. So it can only be take-out.
If RHO had advanced to 3♥ instead of 2♥, opener could probably hold a hand that could double for penalty. However, a take-out double is more useful, mainly because opener will hold an hand suitable for a t/o double more often.
Ummm, this is not true in the 2nd auction.
The NT opener can easily hold AK AJ109x xxx Axx and fully expect to make 6+ tricks. In fact, since partner has already said he has less than 7 hcp, and you will likely be forcing him to the 3 level with a takeout X, there is a lot of merit in considering this X to at least be penalty oriented. You may argue that you would open this hand 1♥, but not everybody plays this way.
However, I also realize this is not the "in" thing these days, so in terms of the question asked, without discussion, both X's are usually considered to be takeout.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2006-July-13, 11:09
1) Take-out, short hearts, extras.
2) Take-out, doubleton heart, maximum.
Ideally the 2nd hand is something like
AQxx
xx
KQJx
AJx
2) Take-out, doubleton heart, maximum.
Ideally the 2nd hand is something like
AQxx
xx
KQJx
AJx
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Posted 2006-July-13, 11:12
1) Takeout
2) Penalty
For NT bidder, I play that Dbl BEHIND the bidder is penalty, but dbl in FRONT of the bidder is takeout.
2) Penalty
For NT bidder, I play that Dbl BEHIND the bidder is penalty, but dbl in FRONT of the bidder is takeout.
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Posted 2006-July-13, 13:11
Takeout, both of them... Unless you agreed specificly that Dbl with a NT hand is penalty 
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Posted 2006-July-13, 16:43
The first is takeout.
The second depends on system. After your strong NT, I thought it was "standard" that the double is penalty in this seat, while if the bidder is sitting over you it is takeout.
If it is a weak NT, I would expect takout regardless of the position of the overcaller.
AP
The second depends on system. After your strong NT, I thought it was "standard" that the double is penalty in this seat, while if the bidder is sitting over you it is takeout.
If it is a weak NT, I would expect takout regardless of the position of the overcaller.
AP
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Posted 2006-July-13, 17:01
Takeout, short H generally extra values.
I think second hand should also be maximum with 2 H.
I think second hand should also be maximum with 2 H.
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