[michael_sun]

I have a deal like this:
S: Kx
H: AKxx
D: AQJxxx
C: A

We play 2/1, if the bidding goes as following:
1D-1S
2H-2S

my partner's 2S only promise 5+cards and 5-9HCP;
How can i show my extra values, slam interest and try to find best contract, or i have better treatment than this reverse bidding process to describe my hand?

[pbleighton]

A 6421 shape with 21 hcp and all suits stopped - did you consider opening 2C?

Peter

[luke warm]

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I have a deal like this:
S: Kx
H: AKxx
D: AQJxxx
C: A

We play 2/1, if the bidding goes as following:
1D-1S
2H-2S

my partner's 2S only promise 5+cards and 5-9HCP;
How can i show my extra values, slam interest and try to find best contract, or i have better treatment than this reverse bidding process to describe my hand?

you can lust after a big club system, i guess.. else i just don't know.. i'd be tempted to bid: 1D : 1S : 2H : 2S : 6D

[mpefritz]

Bidding is a 2 person conversation (with one or two other people occasionally interrupting) . There are several methods for your partner to show a bad hand after your reverse. Maybe someone can discuss these.

Two that I occasionally use are
1) Lebensohl
2) Ingberman

Maybe someone can post some ways to use these or other methods.

I know this doesn't directly answer your question.

fritz

[flytoox]

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I have a deal like this:
S: Kx
H: AKxx
D: AQJxxx
C: A

We play 2/1, if the bidding goes as following:
1D-1S
2H-2S

my partner's 2S only promise 5+cards and 5-9HCP;
How can i show my extra values, slam interest and try to find best contract, or i have better treatment than this reverse bidding process to describe my hand?

I like 1d then 2H. Here after pd's 2s, I would bid 3c. If pd can bid 3N, i will pass. If pd bid 3d I will bid 4c. 5d is safe.

I dont think leaping to 6d is a very good idea. Pd may have sth like
S: QJTXXX
H: XXX
D: XX
C: KX


You still dont know if you should play 6d, 6s, or 3N, or 5d. Better to wait.

[hrothgar]

I am fond of off shape NT openings. That said, I would never consider 2NT on this hand.
This hand is WAY too strong for 2NT.

The values are all in prime controls.
You have a chunky 6 card suit.
The K+R hand evaluator lists this hand as 24.5 HCPs

I do think that there is something to be said for a 2C opening intending to rebid in NT, however, this very much depends on the response structure that you use. I'd be more prone to bid 2C if you are playing a step response system to show controls or, alternatively, a 2H double negative.

[inquiry]

Hands like this one is why I added two special conventions to my 2/1 bidding arsenal. The first is I open 2C with an acol 2 in a major or true, absolute game force, and then use 2H/2S as an immediate response to 2C as a "second negative" which deny even one likely trick for a contract in that major. So bidding 2C-P-2H-PPP is possible when I have acol 2 in hearts. Reverse hearts and diamonds and this hand qualies.

The second is a brand of multi 2D that include either weak two in either major, big balanced hand, or acol 2 in a minor (9 tricks, good suit...ie this very hand). For more on this approach see Dr. Chris Rydall's website which nicely describes this stuff (and others) at
www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/bridge/

Now to the problem of this hand, you should play lebehnsol over reverses. So here all these rebids by opener would be game force...

1D-1S
2H-? 3C, 3D. 3H. 3S. etc

Here a 2S rebid can be 5+ spades and bad hand (opener can pass). 2NT is lebehnsholish... opener rebids 3C and then opener comes out with what he wants. Maybe pass, maybe 3D or 3H. If he rebids 3S I take it as game force, with 5+ spades but not extra values (or else jump to 3S over 2H).

I play opener must rebid 3C UNLESS he has significant extra value over 2NT to insure game (as is this case), in which case opener rebids something else to FORCE to game (that is 1D-1S-2H-2N-3C indicates opener does not hold significant extra values).

On this hand, I would suspect that your partner's 2S bid showed like 5 to 7 points (depending upon the stregth of your reverse) and five spades. Here I would not rebid 3D or 3C. My choice might very well be 4D (forcing). If partner takes a preference to 4H, I will bid 4S. If he bids 5D, I think I would bid six (he is unlikely to have 3Hearts), if he rebids 4S I suspect I would very reluctantly pass.

Ben

[luis]

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I have a deal like this:
S: Kx
H: AKxx
D: AQJxxx
C: A

We play 2/1, if the bidding goes as following:
1D-1S
2H-2S

my partner's 2S only promise 5+cards and 5-9HCP;
How can i show my extra values, slam interest and try to find best contract, or i have better treatment than this reverse bidding process to describe my hand?

Maybe the point is not to "show" but to "ask".
Just bid 4c, if pd can bid 4d then you can ask for keycards with 4NT, and then for the sQ if he has the ace to play 7.
If pd cannot cuebid the dK then over 4s you should just bid 5s asking pd to go to six with good trumps.

Luis

[Free]

The problem with 4C imo is that it's a singleton ACE, and it's known that singleton aces aren't bid. That's why I actually would choose for 3C, FG, tells partner to describe his hand a bit further, bid 3S afterwards and see what he has for controls. Ofcourse, partner should show controls but if he doesn't, you're back at the beginning...

[luis]

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The problem with 4C imo is that it's a singleton ACE, and it's known that singleton aces aren't bid. That's why I actually would choose for 3C, FG, tells partner to describe his hand a bit further, bid 3S afterwards and see what he has for controls. Ofcourse, partner should show controls but if he doesn't, you're back at the beginning...

Disagree 4c stablishes spades as trumps while 3c does not and suggest a missfit, pd will bid 3d with a doubleton in diamonds showing some mild diamond tolerance over 3c and now I don't think you can get back to spades as trumps.
I think 4c stablishes spades as trumps and shows a club control with a lot of interest in a diamond control, pd is expected to cuebid the dK but not a singleton since diamonds are my first suit. Starting with 4c you can get to 5s, 6s or 7s without complications discovering the dK, sA and sQ.

[bhugi]

3C, forcing bid.
Partner bid 3S or 3NT or 3D or else to elaborate more

[Trpltrbl]

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3C, forcing bid.
Partner bid 3S or 3NT or 3D or else to elaborate more

Agree, pd is part of the auction too. Already knows 11 of my cards for sure and 90% for sure about my 12 th, am sure my pd capable of making some smart decision. Pd also knows I have a hand that is going to game opposite as few as a 5 count. So If I can't open 2 NT and can't rebid 2 NT either but making reverese following by a 3 CL bid pd has to know K of D is golden and A or Q of Sp also. I disagree with fact that pd shows 5-9 HCP I reversed the hand, don't need all that much from pd, even tho I know there are many people outthere that love their hand and reverse hands on a lot less then this. Seems biggest problem in bridge is that many people have problem with thinking ahead. And they gamble away, sometimes it works, mostly against me .
And sometimes there just isn't a clear path to victory, deal with it, part of bridge.

Mike ;D

[Free]

Hmmm, I reverse with 15+, BUT (!) I have a backup system: 2NT asking for strength. This way we can still reveal the weak reverse so no gambling for me - except 3NT

[Trpltrbl]

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Hmmm, I reverse with 15+, BUT (!) I have a backup system: 2NT asking for strength. This way we can still reveal the weak reverse so no gambling for me - except 3NT

Hehehe I knew somebody wud bite ;D. I am just saying that I have seen reverses that both y and I and many more wudn't even think about. But at least y have an asking bid to find out what is going on. Most people have no system at all after responding to pd's response. So they gamble away. And the fun part is to listen to their proud way of explaining to me after the hand is over why they bid it that way hehehe. I just ;D

Mike ;D

[bridgerod]

michael_sun, on Nov 20 2003, 07:08 AM, said:

I have a deal like this:
S: Kx
H: AKxx
D: AQJxxx
C: A

We play 2/1, if the bidding goes as following:
1D-1S
2H-2S

my partner's 2S only promise 5+cards and 5-9HCP;
How can i show my extra values, slam interest and try to find best contract, or i have better treatment than this reverse bidding process to describe my hand?

I bid 3C
If partner bids 3S , I will bid 4S
If partner bids 3D or 3H , I will bid 3S
If partner bids 3N , I will pass