[sceptic]

This is how I think it should be bid

SAYC pard seemed better than me (thats not saying much LOL) BWood and no real discussions

1H - p - 1NT - p - 2H - p - 3C all pass
this is how it was bid gave us a top making 9 tricks, I just am not convinced we should be there

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 Pass  1♥    Pass  2♣
 Pass  2♠    Pass  2NT
 Pass  3♥    Pass  3NT
 Pass  Pass  Pass  



ur comments welcomed please about all THX

[Winstonm]

1H-1N-2H looks about right.

An interesting combination in diamonds - if the opening lead is the diamond 3 East has to play the 5 to hold the combination to 2 diamonds tricks.

[HeartA]

Winstonm, on Jun 30 2006, 03:51 PM, said:

1H-1N-2H looks about right.

ditto.

[luke warm]

i guess i hate sayc cause i just don't understand it... why 2c? why 2s over 2c? (that's a reverse even is sayc isn't it?).. agree with the others, looks like 1h : 1nt : 2h pass to me

[pbleighton]

"1H-1N-2H looks about right."

Agree, but 2C isn't totally out of line. I would have rebid 2H after 2C. I don't think the North hand is good enough to insist on game opposite what may be (and is) a bad 10 count without a little heart support. I don't think 2S shows 17, but it should show 15/good 14.

After 1H-2C-2S, 3NT is inevitable.

After 1H-2C-2H, in true SAYC responder must bid again. Yuck! Horrible clubs for 3C, 3D is GF. So I would bid 2NT.

North would probably pass, or maybe sign off in 3H

BTW, I believe that a 3C rebid is technically undefined in SAYC as to strength, forcing/nonforcing. Does anyone have an authority which says if it is forcing?

Peter

[blackshoe]

pbleighton, on Jun 30 2006, 07:47 PM, said:

After 1H-2C-2H, in true SAYC responder must bid again. Yuck! Horrible clubs for 3C, 3D is GF.  So I would bid 2NT. 

I think you're forgetting something here. South passed in first seat. His 2♣ bid is therefore not forcing in any "true" version of Standard American. IMO, North doesn't have anything close to a reverse. His call is either 2 ♥ or Pass.

As for a 3♣ rebid from opener, the ACBL SAYC booklet says:

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Few sequences are defined in the later rounds of “ACBL Standard Yellow Card” auctions. Players are free to assign forcing, invitational or non-forcing meanings to natural calls in such sequences.

[EricK]

luke warm, on Jun 30 2006, 11:15 PM, said:

i guess i hate sayc cause i just don't understand it... why 2c? why 2s over 2c? (that's a reverse even is sayc isn't it?).. agree with the others, looks like 1h : 1nt : 2h pass to me

Why 2♣? Because you have a maximum hand, a ♣ suit and no great ♥ fit. If this isn't a 2♣ bid then what is?

I agree that 2♠ needs a stronger hand.

[luke warm]

EricK, on Jul 1 2006, 02:07 AM, said:

Why 2♣? Because you have a maximum hand, a ♣ suit and no great ♥ fit. If this isn't a 2♣ bid then what is?

ok, if you say so... but after 1h : 2c : 2h, 2nt has to be bid eh? i'd say any hand that's strong enough to bid 2c *and* has the promised rebid is a 2c bid

[hotShot]

The appropriate bidding here is:
1♥ - 2♣
2♥ - pass
Some may argue that 2♣ is self forcing, but i think it is ok to pass with a minimum hand and because 2♥ should also show a minimum hand.
2♠ from north is a huge overbid (and as you know from other threads I'm willing to reverse "weak").

[pbleighton]

"I think you're forgetting something here. South passed in first seat. "

Yup.

Peter

[neilkaz]

After passing initially, I don't think South's 2C bid promises a rebid if North makes a minimum response.

.. neilkaz ..