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Very quick poll Is this a no brainer?

Poll: Your bid? (47 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. 2 diamonds (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  2. 3 no trumps (32 votes [68.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.09%

  3. double (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  4. More than 2 diamonds (7 votes [14.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.89%

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#1 User is offline   Wackojack 

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Posted 2006-June-29, 06:33

Scoring: IMP


Bidding:
1♠ p p ?
May 2003: Mission accomplished
Oct 2006: Mission impossible
Soon: Mission illegal
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Posted 2006-June-29, 06:39

3D, long D and intermediate hand.
Often giving up on slam.
I can understand just bidding 3nt now and not 3D, close.

If pard can cue 3s I will rebid 3nt now.
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Posted 2006-June-29, 06:56

Prefer 3NT with the solid diamonds.
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Posted 2006-June-29, 07:32

2D enough for me.

I detest gambling 3NT as either an opener or an overcall. I appear to be in a minority ;)

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Posted 2006-June-29, 08:23

I thought 3 NT shows: 9 tricks with a spade stop and a running minor. So I had used this bid to describe my hand.

But obvioulsy not anybody had been on the same wave length...
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Posted 2006-June-29, 09:12

3D, shows what you have.

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Posted 2006-June-29, 11:58

For me the balancing jump promises at least 6D with a king better than an opening hand (14-16). If pard has NT aspirations, he can bid it with a stopper or ask with 3S.......always like to involve pard :) when I need him to supply at least 1 trick. :)
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Posted 2006-June-29, 12:03

P_Marlowe, on Jun 29 2006, 10:12 AM, said:

3D, shows what you have.

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Also it keeps the opps guessing. If you bid 3NT they "know" that you have a long minor (duh) and a S stop so maybe they will attack one of the other suits? If pard asks, he may have a 1/2 stop and they may lead S expecting you to be subject to attack.
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Posted 2006-June-29, 12:34

3NT, shows my hand...
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Posted 2006-June-29, 12:50

3♦ looks about right.

Surely the 3N bidders dont believe they are actually getting a spade lead?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2006-June-29, 13:52

3N. Danger is my business, baby. :angry:
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Posted 2006-June-29, 16:29

pclayton, on Jun 29 2006, 02:52 PM, said:

3N. Danger is my business, baby. :angry:

ditto.
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Posted 2006-June-29, 21:52

3♦.

Those who bid 3N must play against deaf defenders. If anyone leads a ♠, invite them to a money game (so long as they agree not to be your partner)
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Posted 2006-June-29, 23:09

Here's why I don't like 3♦. Pard very likely holds a random 6 -9 count or so. he won't have a clue what to do over 3♦.

How much do we need in the rounded suits to make 3N? Not a whole heckuva lot. Frequently, it will be the spade lead that actually beats 3N, but no one knows that.

And how often do modern players tend to blast 3N on these types of hands with a marginal spade stop? Pretty often I'd say.
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Posted 2006-June-29, 23:34

ok why do you not like 3d? you do not have a stop in 2 suits? I assume with a random 6 hcp partner will pass? I assume with a nonrandom hand partner will bid?
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Posted 2006-June-29, 23:36

bid_em_up, on Jun 29 2006, 07:50 PM, said:

Surely the 3N bidders dont believe they are actually getting a spade lead?

Partner is not obliged to pass 3NT here, any more than he his obliged to pass a gambling 3NT opener. And partner knows as well as you (perhaps better than you) whether a Spade lead is likely. But if 3NT is right, then bidding it now could well be the only opportunity to get there.

Actually I don't think that a Spade lead is that unlikely, compared with (say) had you held S:Kx and opening leader the Ace. Then the leader may guess that your 9th trick comes from a lead into a tenace. But if leader has KQ he may wonder whether you have bid it a trick short and hoping for some help from dummy (it has been known). THEN a Spade lead is required.
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Posted 2006-June-30, 10:36

I think it's very close between 3NT and 3D.
I'm about the DK too good for 3D: it's definitely a slight underbid. However I don't like the alternative of double-then-bid diamonds as partner will think I've more HCP.

Maybe I'm convincing myself I'm not too good for 3D, if it's not enough to double-then-bid. But partner is not going to bid on over 3D holding some pile of dross such as

Jxx
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Posted 2006-June-30, 10:43

3N IMO is simply a trick-showing bid and best expresses what I hold - a solid minor, spades stopped, and 8-9 tricks - this is somewhat of an overbid while 3D is somewhat of an underbid, IMO. 3D will work when pard has more than his share of cards while 3N can work when partner has the right minimum or extra cards so I'm swayed by the game bonus and take the shot.
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Posted 2006-June-30, 16:53

i admit i'd bid 3nt pretty fast... the only alternative i see is x then diamonds, but i'm probably not strong enough for that
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Posted 2006-July-02, 03:58

Jeffrey (my husband) has just suggested 2NT, which isn't something that occurred to me, but on reflection we quite like.

- we can't go too far wrong in hearts, because he didn't overcall or jump overcall NV
- our spades are such that it is extremely unlikely partner has a good hand with spade length
- if he's got random balanced rubbish, he'll raise (which is what we want)
- if he passes it might make!

the biggest downside is that we might miss 5D. Or 6D if partner passed over 1S on Kxxx x xxxx AKxx. Or 7D if partner has KJxx A xxxx Axxx.
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