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Posted 2006-June-22, 11:33

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 09:38 AM, said:

Hannie, on Jun 22 2006, 01:55 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 08:00 AM, said:

There isn't much sense in it being a weak bid (too high a level and into a possible misfit). I'd take that as a strong 55 with a random pard. Unless, of course, it were obvious from my hand it couldn't be that <_<

Give me a hand where you can see that partner can't be strong with 5-5?

Hum.. 17-18 hcp with 1534 and strong diamonds? Say

x
AKxxx
AKQ
Qxxx

I suspect you mean AKxxx x AKQ Qxxx (partner opened 1♥, you bid 1♠ & 3♦).

But seriously, if you have this hand, you would/should bid 2♦ as 4th suit forcing, which kinda removes it from any discussion.

Got another example?
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Posted 2006-June-22, 11:59

bid_em_up, on Jun 22 2006, 05:33 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 09:38 AM, said:

Hannie, on Jun 22 2006, 01:55 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 08:00 AM, said:

There isn't much sense in it being a weak bid (too high a level and into a possible misfit). I'd take that as a strong 55 with a random pard. Unless, of course, it were obvious from my hand it couldn't be that <_<

Give me a hand where you can see that partner can't be strong with 5-5?

Hum.. 17-18 hcp with 1534 and strong diamonds? Say

x
AKxxx
AKQ
Qxxx

I suspect you mean AKxxx x AKQ Qxxx (partner opened 1♥, you bid 1♠ & 3♦).

But seriously, if you have this hand, you would/should bid 2♦ as 4th suit forcing, which kinda removes it from any discussion.

Got another example?

No, this was an example of a hand where you would supposedly "know" that partner doesn't have a GF 5-5 ♠+♦ hand.

I'm not sure why partner can't have something along the lines of

AKJxx
x
J109xx
Ax

though.

Andy
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Posted 2006-June-22, 12:13

kfgauss, on Jun 22 2006, 05:59 PM, said:

I'm not sure why partner can't have something along the lines of

AKJxx
x
J109xx
Ax

though.

The 3♦ jump should be descriptive and thus show honors concentrated in the main suits. Your hand is probably better suited for a 4th suit forcing 2♦ bid.

But sure, some might consider this good enough for a jump on a 55.
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Posted 2006-June-22, 14:55

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 09:38 AM, said:

Hum.. 17-18 hcp with 1534 and strong diamonds? Say

x
AKxxx
AKQ
Qxxx

Well, with this hand, I would rebid 3D especially if pd rebid 2H, unless pd passed over my 2C.
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Posted 2006-June-23, 02:53

HeartA, on Jun 22 2006, 08:55 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 09:38 AM, said:

Hum.. 17-18 hcp with 1534 and strong diamonds? Say

x
AKxxx
AKQ
Qxxx

Well, with this hand, I would rebid 3D especially if pd rebid 2H, unless pd passed over my 2C.

Fair enough, but do keep in mind that your view is likely not to be shared :P
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Posted 2006-June-23, 17:38

kfgauss, on Jun 22 2006, 12:59 PM, said:

bid_em_up, on Jun 22 2006, 05:33 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 09:38 AM, said:

Hannie, on Jun 22 2006, 01:55 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 22 2006, 08:00 AM, said:

There isn't much sense in it being a weak bid (too high a level and into a possible misfit). I'd take that as a strong 55 with a random pard. Unless, of course, it were obvious from my hand it couldn't be that :D

Give me a hand where you can see that partner can't be strong with 5-5?

Hum.. 17-18 hcp with 1534 and strong diamonds? Say

x
AKxxx
AKQ
Qxxx

I suspect you mean AKxxx x AKQ Qxxx (partner opened 1♥, you bid 1♠ & 3♦).

But seriously, if you have this hand, you would/should bid 2♦ as 4th suit forcing, which kinda removes it from any discussion.

Got another example?

No, this was an example of a hand where you would supposedly "know" that partner doesn't have a GF 5-5 ♠+♦ hand.

I'm not sure why partner can't have something along the lines of

AKJxx
x
J109xx
Ax

though.

Andy

The point was that in the given auction responder cannot hold the hand you initially gave. It is responder who bid 1♠ and 3♦. Therefore you couldnt hold x AKxxx AKQ Qxxx (you are describing openers hand).

In a Walsh style, a 4 card spade suit would be bid before a 5+ card minor suit. With game forcing values, any 5-5 hand would next bid 2♦ (4SF) thereby creating a forcing auction and then describe from there.

The auction listed, 1H-1S-2C-3D, to the best of my recollection is, specifically reserved for 4-6+ hands w/o game forcing values.
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