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West North East South
- - Pass Pass
1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 1NT
2♥ Pass Pass Pass
how does South make a penalty x over 2 hearts ?
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what would x be in balancing position Opinions Please
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Posted 2006-June-17, 07:52
West North East South
- - Pass Pass
1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 1NT
2♥ Pass Pass Pass
how does South make a penalty x over 2 hearts ?
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Posted 2006-June-17, 09:08
dbl now should be penalty.
With your 1NT bid you described your hand. You denied a 5(4] card ♠, 3card support in ♦ and you should have stopper in ♥ and perhaps ♣ (since 1♣ does not promise a long suit).
With your 1NT bid you described your hand. You denied a 5(4] card ♠, 3card support in ♦ and you should have stopper in ♥ and perhaps ♣ (since 1♣ does not promise a long suit).
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Posted 2006-June-18, 02:22
This is an interesting situation:
Dbl by south would be penalty now, no doubt.
A dbl by north would be takeout, sitting before the ♥-bidder. North can't have a penalty dbl because South has a stopper and opps a fit!
In this situation I believe North has a better takeout double than south having a penalty double. South is unable to dbl because he does not know how strong his partner is.
However I don't think this contract should be doubled, playing IMPs. At matchpoints, I think North should dbl (takeout) and South passes it.
Dbl by south would be penalty now, no doubt.
A dbl by north would be takeout, sitting before the ♥-bidder. North can't have a penalty dbl because South has a stopper and opps a fit!
In this situation I believe North has a better takeout double than south having a penalty double. South is unable to dbl because he does not know how strong his partner is.
However I don't think this contract should be doubled, playing IMPs. At matchpoints, I think North should dbl (takeout) and South passes it.
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Posted 2006-June-18, 08:15
One makes a penalty double of 2 Hearts by placing the red card on the table or hitting the double tab on your screen.
you made a limited, relatively descriptive bid that included a reasonable holding in hearts when you bid 1NT. A double at this point, by the limited hand (that didn't snapdragon X or bid 1S over 1H) should show "hey, I have better hearts than i showed, methinks the opps be in trouble, let's defend and see".
Just make sure that your P doesn't overcall on junk....."Nobody knows the overcalls I've seen. Nobody knows but.............."
DHL
you made a limited, relatively descriptive bid that included a reasonable holding in hearts when you bid 1NT. A double at this point, by the limited hand (that didn't snapdragon X or bid 1S over 1H) should show "hey, I have better hearts than i showed, methinks the opps be in trouble, let's defend and see".
Just make sure that your P doesn't overcall on junk....."Nobody knows the overcalls I've seen. Nobody knows but.............."DHL
"That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!"
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Posted 2006-June-18, 12:26
X is penalty, you promised heart values
with 1NT, now you say,
that they crossed a line, altough I am
not sure I ever would, ... only if 1D
promises the strength for an opening bid,
what I doubt.
With kind regards
Marlowe
with 1NT, now you say,
that they crossed a line, altough I am
not sure I ever would, ... only if 1D
promises the strength for an opening bid,
what I doubt.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2006-June-19, 07:15
One of our doubling rules is
"When we have bid NT showing values in a particular suit, then double of that suit is penalties. Unless another "penalty" rule applies, double of that suit from partner is still take-out, but should not be a void and should be prepared for a frequent pass."
So double is penalties.
(Now you can start worrying about auctions such as
1S 1NT 2S P P x which we have agreed as take-out by special dispensation....)
"When we have bid NT showing values in a particular suit, then double of that suit is penalties. Unless another "penalty" rule applies, double of that suit from partner is still take-out, but should not be a void and should be prepared for a frequent pass."
So double is penalties.
(Now you can start worrying about auctions such as
1S 1NT 2S P P x which we have agreed as take-out by special dispensation....)
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