[mike777]

Scoring: MP

P=P=2S=P
P=?

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The minority and unpopular view was to open a weak 2 or 3 D but we passed, what now and why?

[bid_em_up]

Have to X here to protect partner, I think. Partner is (almost) marked with a big hand containing spades since he did not take any action over 2S. If he bids 3C, I will convert to 3D, he should get the message that I was just attempting to protect his hand in passout and not get carried away.

[pbleighton]

Pass.

I must be consistent. If I am such a chicken that I won't open this 2D or 3D, I certainly won't preempt a preempt with it

Double is way too clever for me.

Peter

[jdonn]

I double, I am extremely confident partner is passing and that we can beat it. Unless 2♠ was quite heavy, partner easily has an opening hand and may have more, quite possibly with long spades.

[hatchett]

I would ( make a penalty) double. You have to collect the odd -670 at MPs otherwise you aren't doubling enough.

[Free]

Dbl, passing was not about being a chicken - mmmmmm chicken - but about not preempting with a 4 card M. Now you can show your hand very nicely by Dbl (and if partner decides to bid 3♣ you run to 3♦ showing this type of hand).

[P_Marlowe]

Pass, wtp?

2S may have been garpage,
but it could also a min. opener.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pbleighton]

"Dbl, passing was not about being a chicken - mmmmmm chicken - but about not preempting with a 4 card M."

If it walks like a chicken and passes like a chicken, it's a chicken

Peter

[moysian]

It does appear that partner has points and, probably, spades. That's exactly what I fear. Last thing I want is partner to blast me to 3nt on 13/14 or worse, sitting for 2sx. If partner had enough for game, he would have acted over 2s. It's my job to bid his hand for him.

[kgr]

jdonn, on Jun 14 2006, 09:40 PM, said:

I double, I am extremely confident partner is passing and that we can beat it. Unless 2♠ was quite heavy, partner easily has an opening hand and may have more, quite possibly with long spades.

I double also because it's MP's.
Less confident however. I would not be surprised if opp made a heavy preempt in 3th hand.

[pigpenz]

for me its between pass and 2NT.

[toothbrush]

I pass because I don't want to push opponents to a making game.

[mike777]

BW poll results

Action......Votes
3D............8
PASS........9
DOUBLE....7
2NT..........1




Eisenberg: Pass, I am too old to double....

Woolsey, Kokish: Double. Selling out to two spades with a stiff and ...holding half the deck.....if north does not pass the double, that figures to be good.

Rodwell/Wolff: 3D. Double too likely to result in minus 670.

Bramley: 2nt. Too much offense to pass..... shot for two places to play

[keylime]

I pass meekly. Doubling feels all wrong here - especially with that diamond suit.

[pclayton]

3♦ feels right; lets us compete and doesn't give up a whopper.

[Free]

Can we get a history of the hand plz?

[Double !]

jdonn, on Jun 14 2006, 02:40 PM, said:

I double, I am extremely confident partner is passing and that we can beat it. Unless 2♠ was quite heavy, partner easily has an opening hand and may have more, quite possibly with long spades.

I see the choices on this hand as being between putting a red card and putting agreen card onthe table.

I am not quite as confident as jdonn seems to be about partner being able to convert the double to penalty, but the bidding makes it sound that way. My concern is that partner might expect a little more from my hand and with less shape if I balance includinga couple of higher honors to help partner get out of his/her hand without potentially giving away a trick (oh, well, i can always convert 3C to 3D as an elcX). My problem with a 3D balance is 1) this hand could very likely be a misfit, and 2) bidding 3D sort of violates the principle of "if I couldn't make this bid before, what makes me think I can bid now at a higher level, especially when the opps haven't demonstrated that they have a fit yet stopped at a low level" (making balancing a more appropriate action to consider.)

Personally, contrary to popular and "expert" opinion, i would have preferred to open this hand 2D. My reasons are three-fold: i have ways to show this hand, it describes my hand in close to one bid (always an objective of mine), and it rates to make life easier on my P in competitive situations. My decision to open or not might have been different had the 4-card major been spades, (there is so much difference between holding hearts vs. spades If my 4-card major). The principle that one should not open a weak 2 bid with an outside 4-card M seems to be too rigid, and I suspect that this contributes to opening 2D being a minority viewpoint. I play relatively disciplined weak 2-bids, but i think the hand should be opened. I like to get in the first shot whenever possible, especially when the action forces the opps to start making decisions at the 2-level.

But, then again, besides being a bidding dinosaur, i play a few very unconventional treatments and creations, and i have to use the approach that seems to work better for meormy partnerships as opposed to what the "book" says. The above is my reasoning, faulty as it might be in the opinion of many.

DHL

[mike777]

Free, on Jun 18 2006, 04:29 AM, said:

Can we get a history of the hand plz? 

BW Magazine does not publish the whole deal/history of their poll hands.