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new suit after stayman

#1 User is offline   mamo2500 

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Posted 2003-November-15, 04:57

Hi all
My p and I was discussing the meaning of this sequence

1 NT - 2 C 1 NT (15-17)
2 D - 3 D


His hand was

S KDxx
H Dxxx
D BTxxx
C -

I believe 3 D shows a stronger hand with more diamonds.
What do you believe? :)


Marianne

PS Can anyone link me to the discussion of opening NT with a singleton K or A?
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Posted 2003-November-17, 03:35

Since a new suit on 3rd level is played as at least "round forcing bid" this hand is a very bad example of it.

Only invitational values, misfitting in clubs... It would be a disaster when opener rebids 3NT. What now? Pass for two-down when opener holds the 3325 pattern (most probably)?

Two better alternatives are:
a) 2NT, natural invitation (very doubtful, with void),
:) 2H, pass/correct, aiming a Moysian fit in major (best choice).

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Posted 2003-November-17, 07:42

Hi Marianne,

The meaning of 3D can be clouded only by what the meaning of a 2S rebid would have meant. Specifically, some people play this....

1N 2C
2D 2H <<---non forcing 5/4 or 4/5 (can have 5S and 4H, non-forcing

1N 2C
2D 2S <<-- artifiical force,

This 2S bid opens up 3C/3D over 2D as non-forcing.

In standard stayman, without such an agreement, I would expecct the 3D bid to be better than the hand shown.

Ben
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