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Speaking of classics, in another match the same day the opponents have a long auction where one finally bids 4♣.
Other opp: Alert - it asks for aces.
We: We didn't ask.
Other opp: Oh, sorry.
What can one do now? So no TD call and they continue.
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2. I'm a trusting soul and don't ask to redeal the boards. I'm also perfectly ok with opponents who want to redeal the boards, as long as they arrive on time. At a sectional swiss recently, I was a bit miffed when my opponents got to the table ~8 minutes late and then wanted to redeal.
Don't be miffed, call director and state opps are late.
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I remember one hand where partner opened a preempt 3rd in hand. RHO asked what it was and I said "weak with hearts" (or something like that). RHO says loudly "Did you hear that partner? The hand is weak. And then overcalls. I raise the preempt and LHO asks me the range of the bid. Just as I'm about to answer, RHO says "Partner. It's weak!" Amazing really.
ALWAYS call the director in such cases. Make it clear to opponents that if they try to coffee house against you, it will be the one and only time.
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Posted 2006-May-28, 07:52
"Thanks for everybody's comments!
Speaking of classics, in another match the same day the opponents have a long auction where one finally bids 4♣.
Other opp: Alert - it asks for aces.
We: We didn't ask.
Other opp: Oh, sorry.
What can one do now? So no TD call and they continue."
I think it technically merits a TD call, but I wouldn't do anything. This is very likely an innocent mistake, and I don't like to upset people without reason. They shouldn't get upset by a TD call, but they do.
The answers to the questions in this thread really depend on your attitude toward bridge. If your approach is "it's just a game" (my approach), then I don't insist on shuffling if I am late, I don't do anything in the above example, and in general I never call the director except for revokes, play out of turn, etc. I might tell the TD about the first example (bid placement), but I probably wouldn't. My attitude towards cheating in a game which isn't for money is that I really don't care if people want to degrade themselves by cheating.
Those who take bridge more seriously will have a different approach, as they should.
Peter
Speaking of classics, in another match the same day the opponents have a long auction where one finally bids 4♣.
Other opp: Alert - it asks for aces.
We: We didn't ask.
Other opp: Oh, sorry.
What can one do now? So no TD call and they continue."
I think it technically merits a TD call, but I wouldn't do anything. This is very likely an innocent mistake, and I don't like to upset people without reason. They shouldn't get upset by a TD call, but they do.
The answers to the questions in this thread really depend on your attitude toward bridge. If your approach is "it's just a game" (my approach), then I don't insist on shuffling if I am late, I don't do anything in the above example, and in general I never call the director except for revokes, play out of turn, etc. I might tell the TD about the first example (bid placement), but I probably wouldn't. My attitude towards cheating in a game which isn't for money is that I really don't care if people want to degrade themselves by cheating.
Those who take bridge more seriously will have a different approach, as they should.
Peter
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Posted 2006-May-30, 08:29
Even if the potential cheating doesn't bother you personally, I think it's still a good idea to report the blatant cases. Otherwise, they'll continue to perpetrate this against other players, who might not have the same attitude. If you think the game is supposed to be fun, you should do what you can to ensure it's fun for everyone (well, except the cheaters).
However, I agree with Peter about the people who give unrequested explanations when they alert. In my experience, it usually seems like they just don't know better (many players really have a hard time remembering the alert/announce requirements), they're not trying to give information to their partners. It's too bad this happened with 4C, because that's a bid that is often ambiguous about whether it's natural, a cue bid, or Gerber unless the partnership is really on the same wavelength.
However, I agree with Peter about the people who give unrequested explanations when they alert. In my experience, it usually seems like they just don't know better (many players really have a hard time remembering the alert/announce requirements), they're not trying to give information to their partners. It's too bad this happened with 4C, because that's a bid that is often ambiguous about whether it's natural, a cue bid, or Gerber unless the partnership is really on the same wavelength.