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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2006-May-14, 17:42

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You have a long relay sequence and end up in 7♦ from the south hand. Before congratulating yourself on your good bidding, you have to make your contract. West leads the ♣7.

How do you plan to make sure of your contract?

As a bonus question, how will you bid to 7♦?
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Posted 2006-May-14, 18:24

Think I can do this one:

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Posted 2006-May-15, 06:20

What david said on the play.
On the auction
1C - 1D
3H - 4H (cue)
4S - 5NT (GSF)
7D - P
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Posted 2006-May-15, 06:44

Bidding:

1 ♣ 1 ♦
3♥ 3 ♠ (Shortness, Asking)
3 NT 4 ♣ (Chicane, RCKB)
4♦ 7 ♦ (4 KCS, enough)

Play: Kick it like Beckham, at least like david...
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Posted 2006-May-15, 18:39

bidding:
1c : 1h
1s : 2d (reds)
2h : 2s (5/5 or better reds)
2nt : 3nt (2560)
4c : 4h (3 controls)
4s : 4nt (no top diamond or all 3)
5c : 5d (no top heart of all 3)
5h : 5s (no top spade or all 3 - now north knows south has all 3 top hearts)
5nt : 6d (queen of diamonds)
7d

the play as david said
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Posted 2006-May-15, 18:54

I wouldn't be surprised if I bid this one:

1♣-1♥
3♣-3♦
3♠-3NT

never finding the 10 card fit B).
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Posted 2006-May-16, 09:44

For the auction, how about

1♣ 1♥
2♦ 4♦
4♠ 5NT
7♦

I would honestly bid 1♥ first with the discrepency in suit quality, and the rest of the auction seems normal enough.
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Posted 2006-May-16, 10:03

jdonn, on May 16 2006, 05:44 PM, said:

1♣ 1♥
2♦ 4♦
4♠ 5NT
7♦

Do you play first round cues? Playing mixed cues, responder can't bid 5N, as opener could have KQx x AKxx AKxxx. In fact, it's not so obvious how to get to this slam playing mixed cues after your start. Probably responder can cue 5♥ over 4♠, over which opener should jump to 7♦.

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Posted 2006-May-16, 10:04

cherdano, on May 16 2006, 11:03 AM, said:

jdonn, on May 16 2006, 05:44 PM, said:

1♣ 1♥
2♦ 4♦
4♠ 5NT
7♦

Do you play first round cues? Playing mixed cues, responder can't bid 5N, as opener could have KQx x AKxx AKxxx. In fact, it's not so obvious how to get to this slam playing mixed cues after your start. Probably responder can cue 5♥ over 4♠, over which opener should jump to 7♦.

Arend

Why not keycard with that hand?

Wow I replied fast :) I just got here a second after you replied.
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Posted 2006-May-16, 10:18

cherdano, on May 16 2006, 05:03 PM, said:

jdonn, on May 16 2006, 05:44 PM, said:

1♣ 1♥
2♦ 4♦
4♠ 5NT
7♦

Do you play first round cues? Playing mixed cues, responder can't bid 5N, as opener could have KQx x AKxx AKxxx. In fact, it's not so obvious how to get to this slam playing mixed cues after your start. Probably responder can cue 5♥ over 4♠, over which opener should jump to 7♦.

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I had a not dissimilar auction, except I responded a diamond.
I don't play mixed cues (except in partner's suit).
This is a good hand to show why.
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Posted 2006-May-17, 00:03

As far as the play goes:
Spoiler


Since I try to always bid my longest suit first, my old-fashioned bidding would go:

1♣-Pass-1♦-Pass
3♥-Pass-4♦-Pass
4♥-Pass-5♣-Pass
5♠-Pass-5NT-Pass
7♦-Pass-Pass-Pass
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Posted 2006-May-17, 01:21

Your line doesn't work with 9xx of Diamonds on your left.
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Posted 2006-May-17, 01:27

luke warm, on May 16 2006, 12:39 AM, said:

bidding:
1c : 1h
1s : 2d (reds)
2h : 2s (5/5 or better reds)
2nt : 3nt (2560)
4c : 4h (3 controls)
4s : 4nt (no top diamond or all 3)
5c : 5d (no top heart of all 3)
5h : 5s (no top spade or all 3 - now north knows south has all 3 top hearts)
5nt : 6d (queen of diamonds)
7d

the play as david said

I gave this hand to a couple of friends who are relayers. Auction was same as you up to 3NT, except the next bid was 7♦. Why? A positive response to 1♣ is 2+ controls. Do you care if it is both major suit Kings or the ♥A?

For the play, you need to assume the worst. If diamonds are 2-1, then you can claim. So assume they are 3-0 (they were). Clubs were 5-1 and hearts don't split well either. You are actually surprised opponents weren't in the auction. However, your contract is still cold.
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Posted 2006-May-17, 15:07

Echognome, on May 17 2006, 02:27 AM, said:

I gave this hand to a couple of friends who are relayers.  Auction was same as you up to 3NT, except the next bid was 7♦.  Why? A positive response to 1♣ is 2+ controls. Do you care if it is both major suit Kings or the ♥A?

if i understand you, the bidding your friends spoke of would go:
1c : 1h
1s : 2d
2h : 2s
2nt : 3nt
7d

no i don't care whether the (minimum) promised controls consist of an ace or two kings, but i do care whether or not we have the ♦Q (even with 10 trumps), and the only way (for me) to find out is by scanning for it... maybe i'm just overly cautious, and maybe i'd take a chance at 7 even without it... but i feel a lot better knowing we have it
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Posted 2006-May-17, 23:18

asdfg2k, on May 17 2006, 02:21 AM, said:

Your line doesn't work with 9xx of Diamonds on your left.

:) If RHO shows out of diamonds, I risk ruffing a club to get back to my hand.
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Posted 2006-May-18, 02:14

David gave the answer earlier in the thread and ruffing a club to get back to your hand wasn't "in the cards."
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