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Chicken or tiger? Where would you like to be in?

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Posted 2006-May-07, 05:01

Hi!
This hand haunted me last night:
Scoring: MP

Partner opens 1♠ (12-17).
System:
responder
- 1NT = 7-11
- 2♣ = GF
- 2♥ = 9+ with 6°, otherwise 10+/11
opener's rebids after 1NT (natural continuation after any other bid)
- 2♣ = artificial, 15+
- 2♦ = 12-14, nat.

The field is not strong.
What is the contract you would feel well in, playing a.) MP like here, b.) IMP?
How do you bid on according to the given system?
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Posted 2006-May-07, 05:40

Hi,

playing IMP's in 5C, playing MP, ... since 5C
makes, and you wont make a over trick in
often 3NT after a diamond attack, as well.

In real life I will reach a club partial, ... oh yes:
I choose thy system bid, 1NT.

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Posted 2006-May-07, 07:22

looks like 1s : 1nt : 2d : 2h : 2nt : 3c : 3nt
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Posted 2006-May-07, 09:35

IMO, this hand is about hand evaluation and playing potential. I think I understand where the question of tiger versus chicken comes into play: does one count high card points, come to less than 12, and decide that the hand isn't good enough for a 2/1. Or does one look at a 6-5 hand that has 6, maybe 7 theoretical losers, 26-27 zars, and decide that the best way to show a 6-5 is to starting bidding one's suits in the face of a potential total misfit? Is the point of the title that the chicken responds 1NT and the tiger responds 2 clubs (or 2 hearts)?

Bad hand for 2/1 always GF players.

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Posted 2006-May-07, 10:05

Double !, on May 7 2006, 05:35 PM, said:

IMO, this hand is about hand evaluation and playing potential.  I think I understand where the question of tiger versus chicken comes into play: does one count high card points, come to less than 12, and decide that the hand isn't good enough for a 2/1.  Or does one look at a 6-5 hand that has 6, maybe 7 theoretical losers, 26-27 zars, and decide that the best way to show a 6-5 is to starting bidding one's suits in the face of a potential total misfit?  Is the point of the title that the chicken responds 1NT and the tiger responds 2 clubs (or 2 hearts)?

Yes, it is :)
But also opener has his chance:
1♠ 1NT
2♦ 2♥
??
or
1♠ 1NT
2♦ 3♣
??

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Posted 2006-May-07, 10:17

Tiger, perhaps Tigrotto ! :)
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Posted 2006-May-07, 10:32

Chamaco, on May 7 2006, 11:17 AM, said:

Tiger, perhaps Tigrotto ! :)

Hey, Mauro

Good to hear from you!! :-)

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Posted 2006-May-07, 10:39

[quote name='42' date='May 7 2006, 11:05 AM'] [/QUOTE]
Yes, it is :)
But also opener has his chance:
1[sp] 1NT
2[di] 2[he]
??
or
1[sp] 1NT
2[di] 3[cl]
?? [/quote]
I'm not sure what chances for opener that your are referring to.

As I understand it, a very common interpretation of a 1NT response followed by a suit rebid is to show a limited, one-suited hand that isn't good enough for other actions as they would tend to show stronger hands. Given this premise, I am not sure what action other than Pass you might want opener to take holding a relatively minimum hand (extra values for some posters, I know :) ) in the face of a potential misfit. 2NT by opener now shows a better hand or better trick-taking potential. A possible rebid might be 2 spades, but that seems unilateral and would likely be interpreted as showing some type of 6-4 hand. From opener's point of view, it might be important to get out of the bidding before getting into futher difficulty.

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Posted 2006-May-07, 13:29

42, on May 7 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

<snip>
But also opener has his chance:
snip>
1♠ 1NT
2♦ 2♥
??
or
1♠ 1NT
2♦ 3♣
??
<snip>

Hi,

playing IMP's opener may raise 3C
to 4C, after having discovered a 9
card fit, holding prime cards and a
singlton.
Playing MP's, I dont think opener will
bid on after 3C.
Ask yourself, how to explain partner going
down in 4C, getting -50 instead +110, for
what?

After a 2H from responder, which reason
varant a move by opener?
No fit no bid.

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Posted 2006-May-07, 13:54

I am just curious:
Is there anyone out there who would consider an initial response of 2 clubs, your 6-card suit?
Resonding 1NT and then rebidding 3C after opener responds 2 diamonds would seem to bury the heart suit for good.

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Posted 2006-May-07, 14:38

tiger Scot here :blink: with my 6 loser hand I would bid 2c....3c from pdr...5c from me (fast arrival)
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Posted 2006-May-08, 00:41

chicken :-)
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