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Playing in an A/X (matchpoint) pairs game in a sectional, you hold:
82 A107642 A53 94
in 2nd seat, vul vs not.
1C 1H X 1N; 2D ?
What's your call?
[Edit: These opponents play 2D as not necessarily showing extras.]
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Rebid 2H or Pass? competitive mp decision
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Posted 2006-April-29, 20:40
Not sure 1NT was made on a balanced hand, so pass.
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Posted 2006-April-29, 20:43
2H. It's matchpoints, and I need to compete. I would be sure a free 1N is made on a hand with about 9-12 points and balanced. There's no reason to bid 1N freely and offer up a big penalty otherwise.
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Posted 2006-April-29, 20:52
1Nt shows a decent balanced hand, I'm certainly competing with 2H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2006-April-30, 05:57
Partner is still there and in a position to compete. I see no reason to take a big risk here. My RHO has at least 9 minor suit cards. I think bidding 2H is showing the same hand twice.
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Posted 2006-April-30, 06:18
Either you start with 2♥, or you start with 1♥ and shut up. Pass
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Posted 2006-April-30, 10:51
Before making the decision of whether or not to bid, it is important to discover whether or not the opps play the 2D resp. to the negX as showing extra values or not, whether they play it as a reverse or not. I know many fine players (such as my f2f P) who play this as a reverse and, therefore, might open a prepared 1D bid (or wk NT) with 4-5 in the minors.
I really don't like the 1H overcall. I play sound overcalls vul (perhaps a little lighter if my suit is spades), with a new suit forcing one round. So, a 2H rebid by me shows a better hand. Despite the 2 aces, if I am bidding, I would be more likely to overcall 2H (we play 2NT by responder at this point to be Ogust) and at least make lho have to make a decision at the 2-level. But, given the bidding as described, to repeat, I suggest first finding out whether or not the 2D bid shows extra values. I suspect that the answers will vary from opp to opp.
BTW: if rho is 4-5 in minors and P didn't raise, where are the rest of the hearts? (I have a funny feeling what the answer might be.) If P bid 1NT and I have Axx in diamonds, how good is the opps diamond fit likely to be,.........and where are the spades?
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I really don't like the 1H overcall. I play sound overcalls vul (perhaps a little lighter if my suit is spades), with a new suit forcing one round. So, a 2H rebid by me shows a better hand. Despite the 2 aces, if I am bidding, I would be more likely to overcall 2H (we play 2NT by responder at this point to be Ogust) and at least make lho have to make a decision at the 2-level. But, given the bidding as described, to repeat, I suggest first finding out whether or not the 2D bid shows extra values. I suspect that the answers will vary from opp to opp.
BTW: if rho is 4-5 in minors and P didn't raise, where are the rest of the hearts? (I have a funny feeling what the answer might be.) If P bid 1NT and I have Axx in diamonds, how good is the opps diamond fit likely to be,.........and where are the spades?
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Posted 2006-April-30, 10:56
Free, on Apr 30 2006, 07:18 AM, said:
Either you start with 2♥, or you start with 1♥ and shut up. Pass
I don't understand this logic. When you overcall 1H and get further information from partner, why must you shut up? If partner raised to 2H and the opponents got to 2S, wouldn't you balance with 3H? I agree that if you overcall 1H and get no information from partner (ie he keeps passing) you should shut up, but that's a different scenario.
I don't think that bidding 2H is bidding your hand twice. You have a sixth trump! In MP I think it is imperative to compete with your fits, especially when you just have to bid to the 2 level. So many good things can happen.
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Posted 2006-April-30, 11:27
Bidding 2♥ now will show a much better hand than the one I have. Ok, partner bid 1NT to show a constructive hand, but that doesn't change much for my rebid: repeating my suit means that my hand is stronger than an immediate jump. I think this hand qualified for an immediate jump, it's definetly not stronger, despite the 2 Aces...
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Posted 2006-April-30, 12:14
Free, on Apr 30 2006, 12:27 PM, said:
Bidding 2♥ now will show a much better hand than the one I have. Ok, partner bid 1NT to show a constructive hand, but that doesn't change much for my rebid: repeating my suit means that my hand is stronger than an immediate jump. I think this hand qualified for an immediate jump, it's definetly not stronger, despite the 2 Aces...
If you had a strong hand you could jump now. When you can overcall 1H or 2H, there is no need to overcall 2H with this piece of crap suit and 6322 red vs white. This is not analagous to whether or not to OPEN 2H or pass, here you have ability to overcall 1H and not overstate your values. Most hands with 6 hearts in the weak 2 range should be overcalling 1H at this vulnerability. There are grey areas in bridge and I do not subscribe to the theory that a hand must either be overcalled 2H, treated as a 5 card suit, or show a hand too strong to overcall 2H.
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Posted 2006-April-30, 12:29
2♥ is fine. Is pard supposed to find a 2♥ call in the pass-out with his 8 count and doubleton heart? My biggest fear is that is that hearts are 6=4=1=2 around the table and we've rescued them from their misfit.
But such thinking goes against Intelligent Reckless Abandonment (IRA); I got the term from a session Mohan was teaching and I adopted the term.
But such thinking goes against Intelligent Reckless Abandonment (IRA); I got the term from a session Mohan was teaching and I adopted the term.
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Posted 2006-April-30, 13:59
I echo Justin's posts: 2♥ is NOT a forward-going bid: it is contesting the partscore: the only reservation I have is that the opps may be on a misfit auction destined for the 3-level if I pass (I think that bidding 2♦ with no extras is silly, but what do I know?). But those reservations do not stop me from bidding my hand
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Posted 2006-April-30, 15:18
Yes, 2♥ should be taken as merely competitive (kinda obvious since both opps are bidding a lot).
I would still pass because I don't like the looks of this (no singletons, little help for pards honors, vulnerable). Besides, pard might have streched a bit to butt-in his 1NT, so let's not hang him.
2♥ might easily be right, though.
I would still pass because I don't like the looks of this (no singletons, little help for pards honors, vulnerable). Besides, pard might have streched a bit to butt-in his 1NT, so let's not hang him.
2♥ might easily be right, though.
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Posted 2006-April-30, 15:28
"I think bidding 2H is showing the same hand twice."
Your one level overcalls show 6 cards (mine show 4)?
2H for me. Pd will know I'm just competing.
Peter
Your one level overcalls show 6 cards (mine show 4)?
2H for me. Pd will know I'm just competing.
Peter
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Posted 2006-May-01, 21:08
Pass or 2♥ depending on the opponents and the state of our game. I think it is fairly close with Pass making a bit more sense against good opponents. The arguments for Pass are:1. It avoids 2♥ doubled, down a trick or two, esp. if LHO has a stack
2. The hand is shaping up to be a misfit, and the opponents may have no place to go over 2♦.
The big argument for 2♥ has been well stated by Justin and others in this forum - it's matchpoints guys. I must ask, would pard ever bid 1NT with a singleton heart?
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Posted 2006-May-02, 00:18
Why should pard bid 1N with a singleton heart? 1N is a positive answer.
At MP, no doubt at all: 2♥, competing for the score.
At MP, no doubt at all: 2♥, competing for the score.
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