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vul vs not
1♥ X 1♠ to you, do you bid (2♦ or maybe 1NT) or pass ?

Scoring: IMP

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[pclayton]

If I'm getting the auction right, I can't bid 1N on my ♥10x can I?

If x is responsive, which it isn't for me, thats my bid, otherwise 2!d.

[Free]

Since Dbl probably shows ♠, 1NT is the responsive bid.

1NT in that situation, otherwise Dbl to show both other suits...

[Miron]

Maybe stupid question, but what about pass.
My hand isn't any great and if I want to play at third level I can make it also from the reopen (this looks like part score fight). And I will know more. If I would bid 2♦ partner will await 5 card and can misguess the board in defense or in bidding. Also he will be awaiting some points but I have just ♦KJ and bit useless ♠QJ (it smells partner has one honor and opener dubleton. Spade lead and maybe spade ruff).

[whereagles]

2♦, eventually followed by 3♣.

[zasanya]

Miron, on Apr 23 2006, 04:11 AM, said:

Maybe stupid question, but what about pass.
My hand isn't any great and if I want to play at third level I can make it also from the reopen (this looks like part score fight). And I will know more. If I would bid 2♦ partner will await 5 card and can misguess the board in defense or in bidding. Also he will be awaiting some points but I have just ♦KJ and bit useless ♠QJ (it smells partner has one honor and opener dubleton. Spade lead and maybe spade ruff).

Moreover doesnt 1♠ look like a psyche?Unfortunately I need 4card♠ to double :-) But ♠ Q J cant be worthless defending 1♠

[Double !]

Perhaps this is the old matchpoint player in me speaking, but I never knew that 1NT would be the equivalent of a responsive double in this situation. To me, it has always been an offer to contract for seven tricks with no trumps (i.e.: natural). This is especially true at matchpoints where it is often a race (due to the scoring methods) to see which side can get to 1NT first, especially not vul.

So, since i believe that I can offer partner a bid, I would be a fish and show partner where my limited values are (maybe to help a lead) and bid 2 diamonds. Why are these situations becoming more complicated than they need to be?

A more interesting question, IMO, would be the meaning of a double in this auction: 1S -Dbl - 2S - Dbl?.

Have a nice day y'all.

DHL

[pbleighton]

2D, I have nice diamond support and not much else. If pd has made a minimum strength off-shape double, maybe this hand will enlighten him

Peter

[kenberg]

I would definitely pass at imps, and I think I pass at mps as well. If my pass is followed by 1NT-pass-pass, I pass again. Possibly we can beat 1NT, possibly we can make 2D, possibly no one can make anything. It wouldn't suprise me at all if the auction after my pass went 1N-pass-2H, casting a little suspicion on the spade bid. Anyway, at imps I think I would prefer to just sell to 2H, if that's the way it goes. If partner comes back in with another double over this hypothetical pull of NT to 2H, I'll bid 2NT. This can hardly be natural after all my passing. At least so I hope.

Ken

[david_c]

2♦ seems perfect:

- I am confident that we can make 2♦;
- I want to tell partner that I have a few values;
- I want to tell partner that I have a decent diamond suit.

I really don't understand why you would decide to pass with this hand.

[mcphee]

Pass is going to bring another bid from the opponents. I see no reason to enter the bidding red against white when 2D may be a dismal spot. I believe I can get in later, over 2H or 1N if I like. It would be nice to see if partner is able to bid again before I comitt myself to minus 200, the deadly loss at pairs.

Odd how people feel they must compete with garbage because it is pairs. There are 3 types of part score hands, their hand, our hand, and no ones hand. I have no idea which this is as yet.

[david_c]

mcphee, on Apr 23 2006, 07:05 PM, said:

Odd how people feel they must compete with garbage because it is pairs. There are 3 types of part score hands, their hand, our hand, and no ones hand. I have no idea which this is as yet.

But does that matter? Surely you can afford to compete at least as far as 2♦, no matter whose hand it is.

Isn't it IMPs, by the way?

[mikestar]

If they aren't psyching, your weak hand is extremely defensive--♠QJx is a sure trick, possible two tricks on defense and worthless on offense. If they are psyching and you aren't strong/long enough to double, see if giving them enough rope will let them hang themselves. Pass.

[P_Marlowe]

2D, showing that I live and naming the place.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pigpenz]

almost same bidding sequence as the other one but here the one spade calling forcing I assume so nothing is lost by passing

[pclayton]

There is simply no way I'm passing this hand. The opps have at least an 8 card fit and probably 9. If I pass it will probably continue 2H on my left, pass, pass. Or LHO takes a different call and RHO shows a belated heart preference.

Passing in is pretty much conceding the part score. Lose 6 - sp.

[mikeh]

Pass : clear for me at imps, red.

1♠ is forcing on LHO.

The lack of a ♥ raise is interesting: there are several possible explanations, including:

1) RHo psyched with ♥, not ♠. This is unlikely: our ♠ are not long enough to be a clue, and most fav. vul, opps prefer to bounce, not psyche.

2) RHO has ♠ and ♥: if so, he probably has constructive values, and we will not buy the hand in 2♦ and we have the wrong hand for a 3-level adventure should partner feel the urge to compete, hoping/expecting a 5 card suit

3) Partner has some ♥ length: then he may well be 4=3=3=3 with slight extras: not a good hand for us to be bidding

4) LHO has extra ♥: again, 2♦ will get the opps bidding 2♥ and we do not want partner bidding 3♦

5) partner has substantial extras: maybe he intended to rebid 1NT after our 1♠ advance of his double (or 2N over 2minor advance). Now I probably need to bid, since he may be shut out by LHO's 2♥ rebid... but I can always reopen over any other reopening.

If I could bid '2♦.. don't raise me in competition', I'd do it, but I can't, so I pass.

[Codo]

pclayton, on Apr 24 2006, 07:53 AM, said:

There is simply no way I'm passing this hand. The opps have at least an 8 card fit and probably 9. If I pass it will probably continue 2H on my left, pass, pass. Or LHO takes a different call and RHO shows a belated heart preference.

Passing in is pretty much conceding the part score. Lose 6 - sp.

so it is... I can introduce my first suit now or at the 3. level. I prefer now.

[Flame]

Is this hand looks like we want to be in 3D over 2H ?
To me this is a great way to pay 500 against partscore, on a good day i will go down 1 against thier 2H makes and get a push !
The secondary problem is that next time i will have a better hand partner will not expect it and wont compete to the 3 level.
I passed

[pclayton]

mikeh, on Apr 23 2006, 08:12 PM, said:

Pass : clear for me at imps, red.

1♠ is forcing on LHO.

The lack of a ♥ raise is interesting: there are several possible explanations, including:

1) RHo psyched with ♥, not ♠. This is unlikely: our ♠ are not long enough to be a clue, and most fav. vul, opps prefer to bounce, not psyche.

2) RHO has ♠ and ♥: if so, he probably has constructive values, and we will not buy the hand in 2♦ and we have the wrong hand for a 3-level adventure should partner feel the urge to compete, hoping/expecting a 5 card suit

3) Partner has some ♥ length: then he may well be 4=3=3=3 with slight extras: not a good hand for us to be bidding

4) LHO has extra ♥: again, 2♦ will get the opps bidding 2♥ and we do not want partner bidding 3♦

5) partner has substantial extras: maybe he intended to rebid 1NT after our 1♠ advance of his double (or 2N over 2minor advance). Now I probably need to bid, since he may be shut out by LHO's 2♥ rebid... but I can always reopen over any other reopening.

If I could bid '2♦.. don't raise me in competition', I'd do it, but I can't, so I pass.

Mike:

1) I also considered that 1♠ could have been a psyche, but I think its pretty unlikely. I imagine LHO will raise spades, and pard will get a perplexed look on his face. Its hard to see where the auction will drift from here; but certainly RHO will run back to hearts.

2) I mentioned the possibility that RHO has belated support, but RHO isn't supposed to have an 8-9 count; a heart raise is indicated - but I'd peek at their cc if I was at the table. Even, it would indicate a fit both sides, and this is exactly the kind of hand I want to compete on.

3) Most of you know my feelings about doubling on 4=3=3=3; but if pard has this hand, why is he raising to 3♦ on? 'Slight' extras; like ♠AJxx, ♥AJx, ♦Axx, ♣xxx? I would never consider a raise with such a hand. Perhaps you had something else in mind?

4) Similar to #2, I think you have it backwards. In a fit auction, we want to compete.

5) Agree.