[bid_em_up]

Scoring: Rubber

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As south in first seat at favorable vul:

1) What is your opening bid?

2) What is your opening bid if playing with a bot?

3) What is your opening bid if playing with a bot at a money bridge table?


(More to the story to come, after some answers.....trust me, its hilarious!!)

[joshs]

1. P
2. P
3. P
If there was a 4,5,6 I would probably pass also. This is not a very offensive hand.

7. Playing EHAA, 2C.

[han]

Also p, p, p for me, this better be a good story .

[jdonn]

p p p, although I don't think 3♣ is as bad as I bet others think it is.

Can we really expect p p p from bid_em_up?

[luis]

1♣
1♣
3♣

[Limey_p]

I don't know the money bridge aspect of it.

The hand looks like a 1♣ opener to me, 3♣ second choice.

AP

[Codo]

1♣1 ♣ 1 ♣

[han]

OK guys, I'll ask. What makes this a 1C opener?

You have 10 HCP, you don't satisfy the rule of 20, you have 23 Zar, you have 12 HCP+531 points, you have 1.5 quick tricks and 9.25 BUMRAP, it has a Kaplan-Rubens count of 11.2 and Kleinman gives it 9+. And the hand is probably worse than most of these point count methods suggest.

Now if you like to open 3C with this hand, I don't have a problem with that. If you open all balanced 10-counts, go ahead and open this one too of course. But if you play average to fairly light openings and you consider opening this one 1C then you are way off imo!

[Al_U_Card]

So it was the bot bidding this hand, and it opened 2C I suppose?

[bid_em_up]

Ok, now the fun part.....

Under 1) Depending on my mood and opps, this hand to me is either pass or 3C (possibly 1C in 3rd seat) when playing for fun (if serious, its always pass).

Under 2) Since I was playing at a "fun" money bridge table, I thought I would see what happens on a 3C opening.

Under 3) IF FOR REAL $$, DONT DO IT!!!


Here's what happened:

3C (X) 3S (X) p p 4C p p X all pass.

At -1400 (thats $14.00), its too expensive. While I knew in advance that this opening could lead to a disastrous result, never in my life would I have expected the bot to hold the following hand on this auction:

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Aye yai yai.

[inquiry]

You got out cheap.. at a penny a point I held 5 goodish hearts, three nice support and about 10 hcp. My auction

BOT - 1♦
RHO - 1♠
ME - DBL (neg)
LHO - Pass
BOT - 1NT <<--- ok I should pass, but I thought mild game try, and how bad could 2♥ be?

RHO - Pass
ME - 2♥
LHO - Pass
BOT - 2♠!!!

RHO - Pass
ME - 3♥
LHO - Pass
BOT - 3♠!!!!!
RHO - DBL
Me - 3NT
LHO - Pass
BOT - 4♠
RHO - DBL
ME - 4NT (stubborn)
LHO - Pass
BOT - 5♠
RHO - DBL
ME- We are on the way to 7♠X for sure, so I pass. we play in 3-2 fit, bot had QTx of spades

Only thing I can think, bot took 2♥ as jacoby transfer. This was 1700 if memory serves me right.

[han]

Ouch Ben, was this for real money?

[jdonn]

All this makes me wonder, yet again, why anyone would conceivably want to play with the GIBs for money. Auctions like that are not close enough to 'may contain bridge-like substance' to even make the experience fun (although they do make darn funny stories.) I don't buy the argument that there is an equal chance of these things happening to anyone so thus it must be fair, if that is the criterion then we might as well play for money with random bid/card generators.

[bid_em_up]

jdonn, on Apr 19 2006, 04:15 PM, said:

All this makes me wonder, yet again, why anyone would conceivably want to play with the GIBs for money. Auctions like that are not close enough to 'may contain bridge-like substance' to even make the experience fun (although they do make darn funny stories.) I don't buy the argument that there is an equal chance of these things happening to anyone so thus it must be fair, if that is the criterion then we might as well play for money with random bid/card generators.

My point exactly.

[kfgauss]

bid_em_up, on Apr 19 2006, 08:24 PM, said:

Here's what happened:

3C (X) 3S (X) p p 4C p p X all pass.

At -1400 (thats $14.00), its too expensive. While I knew in advance that this opening could lead to a disastrous result, never in my life would I have expected the bot to hold the following hand on this auction:

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Aye yai yai.

Am I correct in interpreting this as saying that GIB bid this 7-6 reds hand by first psyching 3S and then correcting to 4C?

Other than this being totally insane, this is surprising since I've never actually seen GIB psych (it distorts a lot and often doesn't have quite what it says it has, but I've never seen an out-and-out psych).

Andy

[han]

I think it was a rare GIB-misclick.

[inquiry]

Hannie, on Apr 19 2006, 04:00 PM, said:

Ouch Ben, was this for real money?

Most definately

[Free]

Hannie, on Apr 19 2006, 08:10 PM, said:

OK guys, I'll ask. What makes this a 1C opener?

You have 10 HCP, you don't satisfy the rule of 20, you have 23 Zar, you have 12 HCP+531 points, you have 1.5 quick tricks and 9.25 BUMRAP, it has a Kaplan-Rubens count of 11.2 and Kleinman gives it 9+. And the hand is probably worse than most of these point count methods suggest.

Now if you like to open 3C with this hand, I don't have a problem with that. If you open all balanced 10-counts, go ahead and open this one too of course. But if you play average to fairly light openings and you consider opening this one 1C then you are way off imo!

It has only 7 losers when counting losely

Even MOSCITO isn't opening his one...

p, p, p!

[bid_em_up]

kfgauss, on Apr 19 2006, 04:23 PM, said:

Am I correct in interpreting this as saying that GIB bid this 7-6 reds hand by first psyching 3S and then correcting to 4C?

Other than this being totally insane, this is surprising since I've never actually seen GIB psych (it distorts a lot and often doesn't have quite what it says it has, but I've never seen an out-and-out psych).

Andy

Yup, you interpret it correctly. That is exactly what happened.

As a side note, 5H probably would have made....with diamonds breaking and Kxx onside, making matters even worse.

[jdeegan]

The bot, oh lord the bot! Stories abound, and at a penny a point too boot. The auction went:

* = a human
1♣*- P-1♦-P
2♥ - P - 3♣ -P
3NT - P - 7NT -P
P - Dbl all pass

The bot on lead with the diamond ace found the double. I guess bots don't play the dreaded Gerber convention and 4NT would have been quantitative.

Qx
Q
K10xxx
KQxxx

I found a first chair pass nvul vs vul, opponent bot passed and my bot bid 1♠. My human doubled, and I redoubled which went back around to the other human who rescued with 1NT. I made the obvious double which rolled around to the human who rescued to 2♣. I put the hammer on it while musing what I might do when the opponents found hearts.

Not to worry. My bot now bid 3♠. OK, OK I'll just settle for my easy game and bid 4♠. Funny thing happened. My bot tabled:

AJ10xx
A9x
Ax
xxx

I wonder what subroutine produced the 3♠ call. Down one after my bot, having gotten an opening spade lead from the other human, forgot to ruff one heart with dummy's second trump. Alas. If only I could only arrange to play for a penny with a bot and opposite two bots, I believe I could make a modest living off it.