[ABadPlayer]

Neg dbl then 2H to show a hand that was to weak to bid 2H directly.

[foo]

P_Marlowe, on May 6 2006, 08:35 AM, said:

foo, on May 5 2006, 01:02 PM, said:

If I decide to bid 2H, then the auction 1D-(1S)-2H-(2S);pa-pa-??  gives me the opportunity to clarify the strength of my hand...
xx.KQJxxx.Qxx.xx is clearly in the bottom half of the hands I might bid 2H with, so I'm passing.

Hi,

I dont think that you can pass out,
at least for me partners pass was
forcing.
The situation
1D - (1S) - 2H (1) - (2S)
pass - ...
(1) forcing for one round

is similar to the situation
1D - (pass) - 2H (2) - (2S)
pass ---
(2) forcing for one, promising a
rebid or even forcing to game

And in the later situation partners pass is clearly
forcing.
Holding your original hand you clearly have to bid 3H.
If you dont like this, you will have to dbl.

With kind regards
Marlowe

"forcing for one round" means just that. =1= round. Without interference.

1D-(1S)-2H-(2S);pa-pa-?? is definitely passable. You did not promise a GF hand, nor D support, nor 6+H, nor any S stops. 10 HCP in xxx.HHxxx.Hx.Hxx your bid. Or worse, move an H from H's to C's.
I might X on general values, but such hands do not scream we are setting 2S easily even with 22-23 HCP given that Opener did not show S length or S stops. Nor has Opener shown extra values. If Opener has a minimum w/o a fit for me and w/o S's, our best strategy may very well to pass quietly and hope we can set 2S enough by defending well.

1D-pa-2H-(2S) playing Strong Jump Shifts is a completely different story.
The SJS is GF, setting a Forcing Pass among other things.

1D-pa-2H!-(2S) playing Weak Jump Shifts is of course passable.

[P_Marlowe]

foo, on May 6 2006, 10:45 AM, said:

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1D-pa-2H-(2S) playing Strong Jump Shifts is a completely different story.

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correct, wrong example, just exchange 2C with 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[foo]

P_Marlowe, on May 6 2006, 01:11 PM, said:

foo, on May 6 2006, 10:45 AM, said:

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1D-pa-2H-(2S) playing Strong Jump Shifts is a completely different story.

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correct, wrong example, just exchange 2C with 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Oh. The auction you meant was 1D-pa-2C-(2S)?

Playing 2/1 GF, a Forcing Pass has definitely been established.


Playing a non GF 2/1, it is less clear.
We could have as few as 21-22 HCP if either or both of Us are minimumn for Our bids.
That's not usually considered enough to establish a Forcing Pass.

If the auction develops along the lines of 1D-pa-2C-(2S);3m-... Opener is certainly not showing extra values or defensive values, just support (3C) or extra shape (3D).

OTOH, 1D-pa-2C-(2S);X or 1D-pa-2C-(2S);2N implies decent chances of Us defending a S contract profitably. After either of these, I'd say the "We play or They play X'd." principle has been established.

...and of course 1D-pa-2C-(2S);pa-pa-?? puts the onus on Responder to clarify what options the partnership should be considering.

[moysian]

Too bad! Your hand is a poster child for the Negative Free Bid (NFB). The greatest value of the NFB is to enable your side to escape a misfit at the two-level (presumably in your suit). All other approaches force the hand to the three level, or higher. The only price to pay is that opener needs to recognize that your negative double can now include single-suited GF hands (your hand, plus an outside Ace).

I see three ways to play your hand, in declining order of preference.

1. Bid 2h and rebid 3h, expecting partner to treat it as NF. In doing so, you must not rebid 3h with a 6-bagger and GF strength.

2. Make a negative double, then bid your suit on the three level. (I'd choose this option if your 8-count included a less-solid heart suit).

3. Pass, and hope partner reopens. Passing may even work out if your side is on a true misfit.