Partner opens 1D, RHO bids 2H. Do you bid 2NT immediately, do you pass planning to convert partner's reopening double, or do you have some other plan?
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#1
Posted 2006-April-20, 07:55
Partner opens 1D, RHO bids 2H. Do you bid 2NT immediately, do you pass planning to convert partner's reopening double, or do you have some other plan?
- hrothgar
#2
Posted 2006-April-20, 08:11
Since I kibitzed this hand, my answers maybe tainted by knowning the result. Having said that, I think neither hand was vulnearble at the table in real life (I could be wrong). IF vul, I would bid and immediate 2NT to try to get to 3NT. Being not vul, I like to think that I would pass. After 2NT I respect partners decision.
However, if I pass, over the double, if 2NT is GB2nt, then I would probably bid 3♦ if we are vul (best shot at getting to the vul game). If neither side was vul, I probably would pass the double and hope my fourth trump and off suit QJ's and QT's along with partners double is enough to set the opponents.
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#3
Posted 2006-April-20, 08:23
#4
Posted 2006-April-20, 08:52
since for me 2NT would be art. (Good/Bad), I cant
bid it natural "to play".
If possible I will bid it, if 2NT is art., I will bid it
anyway, playing 3NT.
I dont think, that the heart szuit is strong enough
to convert a reopening dbl.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: I wont pass bid over dbl, since this is a weak
seq.
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#5
Posted 2006-April-20, 09:01
2N is a slight overbid since this hand probably evaluates to a poor 10 or so (I'm sure some evaluation methods would downgrade this to 8 or something, but thats going overboard). On the upside, I can hold up in hearts and I have a lot of finessing positions through the partner of the preempter.
FWIW I would use pass then 2N as scrambling and not natural (or lebensohl).
#6
Posted 2006-April-20, 09:05
My main philosophy about passing these hand types is
"Pass only if you are planning to convert pard's reopening double. If I have to find an awkward bid over pard's DBL, then I'd rather bid 2NT right away".
Having said that, I think I'd bid 2NT at unfavourable vulnerability, but I would pass at any other vulnerability, not fearing to convert pard's double: my hand has slow tricks all over the place, which should hopefully guarantee the tricks we need in the side suits...
I expect to set the contract by 2+ tricks, which in the worst case scenario means 300 vs 400 or 500 vs 600 (excluding the case of unfav vuln, where inded I'd bid 2NT right away)
#7
Posted 2006-April-20, 09:14
#8
Posted 2006-April-20, 09:47
3NT now if they open Roth/Stone style.
Opening style seems to really matter on many of these close decisions.
#9
Posted 2006-April-20, 10:05
The hand is not worth 11 hcp, because of the lack of aces and kings: quacks are overvalued in 4321.
It is so poor that, had the opps overcalled 1♥, I would have no qualms about the 'underbid' of 1N.
As it is, I agree with others that pass followed by 2N is often played as artificial (I do, usually) so for me that is out. If it is possible, as natural, then it is my choice: treating the hand as worth about 9 hcp.
If it is not possible, then I will bid a natural 2N now... it is an overbid, but I really seem to have no other plausible choice.
Pass and pass the reopening double is ugly: I have precisely 1 trump trick and no real hope of ever promoting a 2nd. Partner will/should reopen with many hands on which the opps have an easy 8 tricks.
And there is no other remotely possible call that I can see.... if others have one, I look forward to reading about it
#10
Posted 2006-April-20, 10:15
mikeh, on Apr 20 2006, 04:05 PM, said:
Amazing.. we agree on this one
Where's the world coming to?
#11
Posted 2006-April-20, 21:44
- hrothgar
#13
Posted 2006-April-21, 04:27
Hannie, on Apr 21 2006, 03:44 AM, said:
Thy sins shalt be forgiven, for thou hadst confessed
#14
Posted 2006-April-21, 05:30
If you play a strong 1NT, partner rates to have at least five diamonds for a reopening double so 3♦ would normally be better than 2NT. I prefer 2NT because ♥K is worth more in notrumps than in a trump contract, and because an immediate 2NT shows what I have which I might not be able to show if I support diamonds in some way.
#15
Posted 2006-April-21, 07:34
helene_t, on Apr 21 2006, 06:30 AM, said:
i agree you .
and ,if LHO can lead ♥,it means my partner has 0-2card ♥ only,so he has a 5card ♦ unless his shape is 4243 or 4144.
2NT, i love u
#16
Posted 2006-April-21, 08:05
Passing and letting partner double in, punishes them on many hand types. Take pard off the hook.
#17
Posted 2006-April-21, 08:41
At teams, I am a bit more hesitant, only because I do not expect to make enough to warrant the risk. I think the chance of 500 here isn't that great. Vulnerable opps usually have their bids. The other thing is that if I bid on, they make take a further push and I will feel much more comfortable doubling them then. I wonder in fact if Reese would bid 3♦ on this hand in hopes that this would push the opponents higher?
#18
Posted 2006-April-21, 09:38
Since I kibitzed this hand, my answers maybe tainted by knowning the result. Having said that, I think neither hand was vulnearble at the table in real life (I could be wrong).
Echognome said:
Vulnerable opps usually have their bids.
Thanks for the trust guys!
I was pretty sure about it, but I looked it up and the vulnerability was correct, we were red and they were white. The vulnerability was a major consideration for me in passing (right or wrong).
- hrothgar
#19
Posted 2006-April-21, 09:53

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