[cherdano]

My opponents had a big accident on this in the league, but I wonder whether I would be on the same wavelength here with all my partners:

RHO opens a weak 2♦, you pass, LHO raises to 3♦, partner cuebids 4♦, you bid 4♥, he bids 4♠:
(2♦)-P-(3♦)-4♦
(P)-4♥-(P)-4♠.

What does partner have? Some example hands would be nice.

Arend

[whereagles]

Clubs and spades.

Unless you have an agreement that 4♦ is ALWAYS for the majors, in which case it shows good spades, slam interest and inability to bid RKCB for some reason (wide open diamonds? ).

Incidently, chalk up one more for the innocent-looking, lowly 2♦ preempt

[Free]

Depends on your agreements in this situation. If you play leaping Michaels, then this should be Majors, cue and slam interest... In a natural auction, I have nooooo idea, but I'd give partner ♠ and no ♥. So it basicly should also show ♣...

[Blofeld]

Can't really play leaping Michael's on this auction, Free.

[inquiry]

Blofeld, on Apr 20 2006, 08:04 AM, said:

Can't really play leaping Michael's on this auction, Free.

He meant to refer to it here as Mishovnbg's Meta Overcalls where 4♣ would be equivalant to leaping micheals (showing ♣ and an unknown major) and forcing. He plays this over all 3 level preempts, and preemptive raises of weak twos to the three level.

I think an additional choice could be added. 4♠ could agree ♥'s and be a cue-bid, looking for ♥ slam. But the real answer here depends upon partnership agreement. If you have an agreement about this kind of auction (or a meta agreement about similar auctions) you are in better shape than if you simply make it up on the fly. For any one partnership, the bid should only have one of the above meanings, but from withing 100 partnerships, some of them will have each of the above meanings.

First meta agreement you might should consider is that after a cue-bid by partner, is a new suit forcing? IF the answer is yes, 4♠ is forcing and can include a number of the possibilites. IF the answer is no, then 4♠ means must mean ♠/♣ two suiter (assuming not playing meta overcalls) and no tolerance for defense (hence weakish) and thus non game force (else dbl then bid over hearts).

I prefer an immediate 4♠ to show really good spades, and with a great black two suiter dbl then pull 4♥ to 4♠ works for me. For me, 4♠ is forcing, and may be a hand much too good for immediate 4♠ or be an advanced cue-bid for ♥ with support. My next bid will clarify. If I rebid ♠ it was great ♠, if I rebid ♣ or ♦ or ♥ it was slam try with ♥ fit.

[Echognome]

I'm not quite sure the question you are asking.

If you ask me what my regular partner has, it is ♠ and ♥, now showing longer spades and slam interest. He will now be 6-5 in the majors and have extras.

If you ask me what I will guess a pickup expert has, then I don't know. But I will assume it's forcing and bid again hoping that partner will clarify. If I have the ♣AK, or the ♦A I will show that now. Else I will rebid 4NT, 5♥, or 5♠. I would like 4NT to be "neutral" here in that partner can bid what he likes over it, but I imagine that it could lead to even more cloudiness in the auction.

[helene_t]

inquiry, on Apr 20 2006, 03:58 PM, said:

Blofeld, on Apr 20 2006, 08:04 AM, said:

Can't really play leaping Michael's on this auction, Free.

He meant to refer to it here as Mishovnbg's Meta Overcalls where 4♣ would be equivalant to leaping micheals (showing ♣ and an unknown major) and forcing. He plays this over all 3 level preempts, and preemptive raises of weak twos to the three level.

This is also what they play in the Dutch national selection. Anyway, I voted spades and clubs, which I would assume with a random partner.

It does not have to be a very strong hand. The partner who is short in opps' suit must take action even if he doesn't have a zillion HCPs.

[han]

Yeah, that treatment is quite common in the Netherlands, often called "world-convention". I suspect that it was around before Misho started playing it, but I wasn't so perhaps I'm mistaken.

Not playing this gadget and lacking good agreements I would take it as the black suits, gameforcing but not forcing.