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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2006-April-19, 17:36

Scoring: IMP

(1♦) - 1♠ - (4♦) - P
(P) - X - (P) - ?


Your call?
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Posted 2006-April-19, 17:42

Echognome, on Apr 19 2006, 06:36 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1♦) - 1♠ - (4♦) - P
(P) - X - (P) - ?


Your call?

4H will run to 5c if x, but I never get these right.
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Posted 2006-April-19, 18:06

Pass

I like my stiff ♠ (partner will lead one from most holdings headed by the Ace and neither opp is especially short in the suit) and my useful ♥ cards for when I shift through declarer at trick 3.

While I hate defending doubled partscores at imps, there are times you have to... else the opps own you forever.

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Posted 2006-April-19, 18:15

Matt, it might be worth mentioning that the double was for takeout.
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Posted 2006-April-19, 23:23

When I hold an unbid 6 card suit and partner doubles for takeout, I should be very reluctant to pass for penalties....

Sure you can make a case for a positive when partner starts with SA and continues and then we take 1 or 2 H and a C....BUT what about the perfectos where he holds 5-4-0-4 (and we are taking NO C tricks on defence) or 5-3-1-4 or 6-3-0-4 etc

Any hand with C length (and he almost certainly holds 3+C) which has heavy holdings eg KQJ are likely to take 0 defensive tricks in the suit.

Regardless of whether it is right this time, for the sake of partnership confidence I will pull to 5C with this hand (which I do not expect to make) but I do not expect to be more than 2 down.

NB if he holds say Axxxx Axx x AKxx I am an overwhelming favourite for 5C, and say Axxxx AJx x KQJx makes 5C likely but 4D also likely....and all the more so on a C lead.

Change his hand to say KQTxxx Kxx x KQJ where I am 2 down in 5C but they are likely making 4D...

and what of AJxxxx Axx void AKxx and similar concoctions?
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Posted 2006-April-20, 00:12

I`ll take out the take out double and bid a confident 4 Heart. If this is doubled, I just sit and smile. Maybe I will stop smilling after writing dowm -500, but so is life.
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Posted 2006-April-20, 01:44

Codo, on Apr 20 2006, 06:12 AM, said:

I`ll take out the take out double and bid a confident 4 Heart. If this is doubled, I just sit and smile. Maybe I will stop smilling after writing dowm -500, but so is life.

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Posted 2006-April-20, 02:01

mikeh, on Apr 20 2006, 02:06 AM, said:

Pass

I like my stiff ♠ (partner will lead one from most holdings headed by the Ace and neither opp is especially short in the suit) and my useful ♥ cards for when I shift through declarer at trick 3.

This sounds very nice -- but will partner really lead the bare ace (without the king)?
If he doesn't have ♠A, we have close to 0 defensive tricks. If he has ♠AK, our ruffing value is wasted. If he has ♠A but not ♠K, he might not lead it...

Anyway, I won't pass takeout doubles with Tx trumps and a 6-card suit. I will bid 4♥. Hey, I may still dream of getting to clubs if partner corrects 4♥ to 4♠ :)

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Posted 2006-April-20, 02:19

Why didn't opps bid 5♦ with that many trumps? Probably because they have some losers in ♠. I pass, but I'm not confident about it...
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Posted 2006-April-20, 04:18

Am I seeing something wrong? Dbl is take-out and I got a 6-4 in the unbid suits? 4♥ stands a mile.
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