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what is the commonly accept meaning of the dbl among expert?
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bal 18-19 or take-out
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Posted 2006-April-17, 19:57
bidding: p-p-1cl-1he-p-1nt-x
what is the commonly accept meaning of the dbl among expert?
thx a lot
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Posted 2006-April-17, 20:50
It shows a strong hand. Often this will be 18-19 balanced, but it doesn't have to be.
If partner can't act then there is no reason to make a sound with a fairly minimal hand like this.
If partner can't act then there is no reason to make a sound with a fairly minimal hand like this.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2006-April-17, 21:19
Its takeout of hearts usually; and better than a minimum. I think the subject hand is about a King light. If pard can't act over 1♥ (or 1N), what have you got?
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Posted 2006-April-18, 03:46
pclayton, on Apr 18 2006, 12:19 PM, said:
Its takeout of hearts usually; and better than a minimum. I think the subject hand is about a King light. If pard can't act over 1♥ (or 1N), what have you got?
I had thought, that this is common sense... but like always, sense seems to be never common.
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Posted 2006-April-18, 09:29
Already there is no consensus, figures!
I wouldn't stake my life on it, but I agree with Hannie. I think it shows 18-19 balanced, though other strong hands might do it as well.
I wouldn't stake my life on it, but I agree with Hannie. I think it shows 18-19 balanced, though other strong hands might do it as well.
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Posted 2006-April-18, 09:32
I would have said penalty, typically the 18-19 balanced hand, but not exclusively. I think playing it as takeout of hearts also has merit, but still should promise a very strong hand, since the opps don't have a fit.
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Posted 2006-April-18, 09:57
I go with the 18-19 balanced hand: the hand that was going to reopen with 1N had the 1♥ overcall been passed around to it.
While pure takeout of ♥ is possible, the fact that the opps have not raised ♥ and that partner passed 1♥ suggests that this is not a good hand on which opener should be trying to find a landing spot without a very strong hand.
Partner can hold some values, but if he does, the odds are that he has ♥ length, since no negative double (or 1♠) and no raise of 1♦. If he has values, he either has long ♣ and/or ♥length/strength inadequate for 1N.
Opposite the ♣ hand, a takeout double works (but so does a balanced 18-19) but opposite any other hand (♥ wastage or just plain weak), the takeout double will not fare as well as the 18-19 balanced... at least, that is my thinking for what it is worth
While pure takeout of ♥ is possible, the fact that the opps have not raised ♥ and that partner passed 1♥ suggests that this is not a good hand on which opener should be trying to find a landing spot without a very strong hand.
Partner can hold some values, but if he does, the odds are that he has ♥ length, since no negative double (or 1♠) and no raise of 1♦. If he has values, he either has long ♣ and/or ♥length/strength inadequate for 1N.
Opposite the ♣ hand, a takeout double works (but so does a balanced 18-19) but opposite any other hand (♥ wastage or just plain weak), the takeout double will not fare as well as the 18-19 balanced... at least, that is my thinking for what it is worth
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