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I should also add that no one said that it was nonforcing. Except my partner.
I was pretty annoyed, I will admit. We were having a really bad playing day, anyway, so this was one more thing on top of other things.
New suit after Ogust
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Posted 2006-April-17, 14:20
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Posted 2006-April-17, 14:40
Elianna, on Apr 17 2006, 11:36 AM, said:
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My partner's hand was xx x KJTxxx xxxx (or something like that. His stiff was opposite my A-empty, I've definitely got the pointys right).
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My partner's hand was xx x KJTxxx xxxx (or something like that. His stiff was opposite my A-empty, I've definitely got the pointys right).
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Probably a case of the weak 2 bidder feeling ashamed about opening a shade lite, and not considering the issue from your side of the table.
We've all done it.
Its funny; I think I've grown more as a player during the ugly sessions (where this hand came up for you and it was unfamiliar) than I have when I win games, and we have no disagreements.
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Posted 2006-April-17, 19:20
You have agreed Ogust (forcing) and RONF (ie everything is forcing).
Why should you have no way to bid a new suit NF? Granted it's not a very useful thing to do, but you have so much expressive power with 4 forcing bids (2NT and three new suits), that it seems perfectly logical to play a new suit after ogust to be NF.
Having said that, I don't play Ogust.
Have no idea what the standard is. I do know that a surprising number of partnerships play change of suit NF (presumably they all have to go through 2NT, whatever it means, if they want to wake pard up and proceed to slam)
I have heard this mantra "all strange bids are forcing" (ASBAF). This seems to arise out of the idea that you always have MORE than your last bid told. O for a bidding system where your bids actually get their values on the table most of the time. Then you can play ASBANF
Why should you have no way to bid a new suit NF? Granted it's not a very useful thing to do, but you have so much expressive power with 4 forcing bids (2NT and three new suits), that it seems perfectly logical to play a new suit after ogust to be NF.
Having said that, I don't play Ogust.
Have no idea what the standard is. I do know that a surprising number of partnerships play change of suit NF (presumably they all have to go through 2NT, whatever it means, if they want to wake pard up and proceed to slam)
I have heard this mantra "all strange bids are forcing" (ASBAF). This seems to arise out of the idea that you always have MORE than your last bid told. O for a bidding system where your bids actually get their values on the table most of the time. Then you can play ASBANF
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Posted 2006-April-18, 10:35
I don't play Ogust admittedly, but for me it would tend to make a big difference on what the Ogust response is.
If you show a heap of cr*p (3C response) then there's a good case for a new suit to be not forcing (but still forward going).
If opener shows a good hand, then a new suit should probably be a slam try.
E.g.
2S 2NT
3C 3D
NF, constructive.
2S 2NT
3S 4C
Slam try.
If you show a heap of cr*p (3C response) then there's a good case for a new suit to be not forcing (but still forward going).
If opener shows a good hand, then a new suit should probably be a slam try.
E.g.
2S 2NT
3C 3D
NF, constructive.
2S 2NT
3S 4C
Slam try.