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#1 User is offline   chaos2k 

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Posted 2006-April-09, 21:21

u hold

playing 2/1 weak NT(1m open show 15-17 balanced or nat unbalanced)
the biding goes
11 1 pass
?
what is 2? it's a cue bid supprot parnter's suit or just a reverse?
i prefer it just a reverse didnt show support in
any one agree?
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Posted 2006-April-09, 21:55

I think it's just pure strength showing. It certainly doesn't promise spade support, although a strong three card raise would be one possible hand type. A cue with this hand seems fine to me, the other option being to "gamble" on a 3NT call despite the lack of heart stopper. On the other hand I don't think the cuebid really implies a diamond suit either.
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Posted 2006-April-09, 22:03

if you hold:
XX,KJT9,AKQJxxx,
the biding is:
1 1 1 pass
?
what is your rebid?
Thank you!
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Posted 2006-April-09, 23:24

I play it as a strong hand requesting P to bid nt if he has a stopper.
If P bids nt and 1)I raise to game in nt then strong hand witout support.
2)I support then cue bid with support.
If P does not bid nt and 1) I bid nt then strong hand without support but with a
stopper
2) I support then cue bid with support
With the actual hand I will bid 3 .
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Posted 2006-April-09, 23:39

chaos2k, on Apr 9 2006, 10:21 PM, said:

u hold

playing 2/1 weak NT(1m open show 15-17 balanced or nat unbalanced)
the biding goes
11 1 pass
?
what is 2? it's a cue bid supprot parnter's suit or just a reverse?
i prefer it just a reverse didnt show support in
any one agree?

I do not know I opened 5Clubs....so.........
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Posted 2006-April-10, 00:40

Hi,

do you play supp dbl?

The cue does not promise primary
spade support, you can raise direct,
... if you play supp dbl, the cue will
also to nearly 100% deny a 3 card
spade suit.

Making the cue, most of the time
you are interested in a diamond stopper.

With your hand I would bid 3C, which is a slight
underbid, ... but since you did not open 2C,
and since the actual bidding did not improve your
hand, 3C is enough.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2006-April-10, 03:10

--
xx
AKxx
AKQJxxx

1 (1) 1 (pass)

bidding is low enough for you to try 2, followed by a forcing 3 after pard's likely 2M rebid. It doesn't look like you'll get more than 3NT out of this one, though... a direct 3NT can easily be the end of your problems.

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xx
KJT9
AKQJxxx

1 (1) 1 (pass)

big difference here. It is not out of question that pard has a 6-5 in the majors. Still, cue + 3 is the best to keep bidding low. You need biddin space on this one.
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Posted 2006-April-10, 03:14

I don´t think, that support double is very common in this situation. At least here in Germany, it is normally forbidden to double partners bid.
I will bid 3 NT now. This should show a source of tricks and a good stopper. With 18-19 balanced, I had bid 2 NT, with 15-17 1 NT, so Pd. should understand 3 NT.
If they can take the first 9 tricks in the majors, bad luck.

2 had been forcing with our without a fit.
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Posted 2006-April-10, 10:48

Again I completely agree with wereagles.

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Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-April-10, 13:36

2 for now; followed by 3.

I don't know here this hand is going, but forcing to game and showing a nice club suit seems like a good start.

If I had a plane to catch (or if pard was barred), I'd just try 6 now :)
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Posted 2006-April-11, 22:45

I agreed with that 2 only shows a good hand with controls for now. It can't show fit with at the same time. 2 leaves more room to develop a proper contract. If 2 bidder has fit, after 2 he/she will surely have chance to bid it.

After 2, 1 bidder is forced to bid NT if he/she has stoppers with both majors, otherwise, he can just bid 2 or even 3 (if a good suit is available). Since this 2 is forcing, 1 bidder has to describe his/her hand accordingly.


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if you hold:
♥XX,♦KJT9,♣AKQJxxx,
the biding is:
1♣ 1♦ 1♥ pass
?
what is your rebid?

I think, the rebid is 3C by your system, not 2D. If partner has more, he/she would bid 3D to ask for stopper for 3NT.

Just my one cent. ;)
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Posted 2006-April-12, 22:30

I would bid 2 by now, but on the second hand I would rebid 3NT
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Posted 2006-April-13, 07:56

pclayton, on Apr 10 2006, 02:36 PM, said:

2 for now; followed by 3.

I don't know here this hand is going, but forcing to game and showing a nice club suit seems like a good start.

If I had a plane to catch (or if pard was barred), I'd just try 6 now ;)

Funny, if I had a plane to catch then I would bid 3NT, 6C seems very much against the odds.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-April-13, 08:05

I would bid 3NT, showing solid suit and a stopper (and max obviously). Extra bonus is that it denies support in many partnerships (when is this gonna be standard??) ;)
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