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High Level Decision at Matchpoints How many tricks?

Poll: Your call (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  3. Five Spades (21 votes [91.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.30%

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#1 User is offline   jdeegan 

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Posted 2006-April-04, 21:12

Scoring: MP

1♠-P-3♠-4♥-4♠-5♥-P-P-???


Matchpoints. Finals of Silver Ribbon Pairs. Opponents are a well known pair in contention for the event. 3♠ was a four card limit raise playing plain vanilla 2/1. A forcing NT response followed by a jump in spades would show the three card limit raise. Jacoby 2NT and splinters would have shown a spade raise, but a better hand and been forcing to game.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 21:35

What was 3♠ and what other options for similar raises existed? (forcing nt with 3 if limit, min splinter, fit jump, etc.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 01:10

5spades. MP or IMP.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 03:09

flytoox, on Apr 5 2006, 07:10 AM, said:

5spades. MP or IMP.

yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 03:15

whereagles, on Apr 5 2006, 09:09 AM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 5 2006, 07:10 AM, said:

5spades. MP or IMP.

yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind.

Stripe tail double ?

Want to double to keep them out of slam when you are in the passout seat ? LOL
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Posted 2006-April-05, 03:45

Chamaco, on Apr 5 2006, 09:15 AM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 5 2006, 09:09 AM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 5 2006, 07:10 AM, said:

5spades. MP or IMP.

yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind.

Stripe tail double ?

Want to double to keep them out of slam when you are in the passout seat ? LOL

lol i didnt notice... eheh
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Posted 2006-April-05, 08:11

I think 5♥ has more chances to make than 5♠, the question is how many :ph34r:. I would gamble that it makes less than 50% of the time. But still the decision is pretty close.

I'll bid 5♠
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Posted 2006-April-05, 08:28

Ok.. limit riase, no double of 5♥, this seems a fairly clear 5♠ bid. We have 11 ♠ they rate to have at least 10 ♥. Partners 10 points will give us enough to set 6♥ if they bid it even if we don't score a single ♠.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 08:36

Was partner's pass forcing? For me it would be, although I could be convinced non-forcing is better here.

I bid 5♠ either way.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 09:34

5♠, even tho this offends the very good mp saying that the 5-level belongs to the opps. If I felt that there was any real chance that 4♠ would fail, I'd pass or double. But, while one can construct hands on which 4♠ goes down, they are not easy to do, is you assume that partner has nothing in ♥.

It is rare for the field to compete to the 5-level at equal, so if 4♠ is making, as I think it is, I am doomed to a poor score whether I bid or double UNLESS 5♠ makes: when I return to average. I place the chances of 5♥ going for 500 at a fraction above zero... a very tiny fraction.

So I bid 5♠ as my best chance to get back to the field: anything else is giving up..... have I mentioned that I prefer imps? At imps, 5♠ seems 100%.

BTW, partner's pass was not forcing. 3♠ was not the least bit forcing, and 4♠ could have been bid by us as a save over 4♥. Thus it is illogical to play the pass of 4♠ as forcing, as far as I am concerned, anyway :ph34r:
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Posted 2006-April-05, 13:56

Scoring: MP

1♠-P-3♠*-4♥-
4♠-5♥-P-P-
5♠-P!-P-6♥-
???

*=4 card limit raise
!=first round control showing

Bidding 5♠, it turns out, has more than one way to lose. On the actual hand, West got to make a control-showing pass over 5♠. East decided to take the push. What now? (note:this is not quite a perfect LOTT hand. 22 tricks = 20 trumps + 2 voids + 1 seven bagger = 23
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Posted 2006-April-05, 17:18

Pass isn't forcing over 5♥ (we've gone over this ad nauseum). I would have doubled 5♥ with A-A-K. As south, its a clear 5♠ call after a double or a pass.

6♥ is really a stab, especially in an NABC final.

I think I like a cute 5♣ by West instead of 5♥ to tell pard where his values are. Crazy luck to find pard with 4/5 covers for ♠xx and ♣T9xxx.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 17:22

Well, the actual layout of this hand doesn't mean anything (OK, it means a little thing). I voted for 5S and I am not regretted after seeing the whole hands. On 99% of the chance, we should be able to score at least two tricks (DA and another trick from pd for her 11 or so hcp limited raise).
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Posted 2006-April-05, 20:10

Scoring: MP

1♠-P-3♠*-4♥
-4♠-5♥-P-P
-5♠-P-P-P

* = 4 card limit raise

Just kidding gang! You had it right all along. 5♠ was the winning call, and the ACTUAL hand is shown above. 6-4-2-1 pattern has a MUCH higher frequency than 6-4-3-0, so your 5♠ was the percentage call.
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