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Matchpoints. Finals of Silver Ribbon Pairs. Opponents are a well known pair in contention for the event. 3♠ was a four card limit raise playing plain vanilla 2/1. A forcing NT response followed by a jump in spades would show the three card limit raise. Jacoby 2NT and splinters would have shown a spade raise, but a better hand and been forcing to game.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 21:12
Matchpoints. Finals of Silver Ribbon Pairs. Opponents are a well known pair in contention for the event. 3♠ was a four card limit raise playing plain vanilla 2/1. A forcing NT response followed by a jump in spades would show the three card limit raise. Jacoby 2NT and splinters would have shown a spade raise, but a better hand and been forcing to game.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 21:35
What was 3♠ and what other options for similar raises existed? (forcing nt with 3 if limit, min splinter, fit jump, etc.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 01:10
5spades. MP or IMP.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 03:09
flytoox, on Apr 5 2006, 07:10 AM, said:
5spades. MP or IMP.
yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 03:15
whereagles, on Apr 5 2006, 09:09 AM, said:
flytoox, on Apr 5 2006, 07:10 AM, said:
5spades. MP or IMP.
yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind.
Stripe tail double ?
Want to double to keep them out of slam when you are in the passout seat ? LOL
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Posted 2006-April-05, 03:45
Chamaco, on Apr 5 2006, 09:15 AM, said:
whereagles, on Apr 5 2006, 09:09 AM, said:
flytoox, on Apr 5 2006, 07:10 AM, said:
5spades. MP or IMP.
yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind.
Stripe tail double ?
Want to double to keep them out of slam when you are in the passout seat ? LOL
lol i didnt notice... eheh
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Posted 2006-April-05, 08:11
I think 5♥ has more chances to make than 5♠, the question is how many 
. I would gamble that it makes less than 50% of the time. But still the decision is pretty close.
I'll bid 5♠
. I would gamble that it makes less than 50% of the time. But still the decision is pretty close.I'll bid 5♠
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Posted 2006-April-05, 08:28
Ok.. limit riase, no double of 5♥, this seems a fairly clear 5♠ bid. We have 11 ♠ they rate to have at least 10 ♥. Partners 10 points will give us enough to set 6♥ if they bid it even if we don't score a single ♠.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 08:36
Was partner's pass forcing? For me it would be, although I could be convinced non-forcing is better here.
I bid 5♠ either way.
I bid 5♠ either way.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 09:34
5♠, even tho this offends the very good mp saying that the 5-level belongs to the opps. If I felt that there was any real chance that 4♠ would fail, I'd pass or double. But, while one can construct hands on which 4♠ goes down, they are not easy to do, is you assume that partner has nothing in ♥.
It is rare for the field to compete to the 5-level at equal, so if 4♠ is making, as I think it is, I am doomed to a poor score whether I bid or double UNLESS 5♠ makes: when I return to average. I place the chances of 5♥ going for 500 at a fraction above zero... a very tiny fraction.
So I bid 5♠ as my best chance to get back to the field: anything else is giving up..... have I mentioned that I prefer imps? At imps, 5♠ seems 100%.
BTW, partner's pass was not forcing. 3♠ was not the least bit forcing, and 4♠ could have been bid by us as a save over 4♥. Thus it is illogical to play the pass of 4♠ as forcing, as far as I am concerned, anyway
It is rare for the field to compete to the 5-level at equal, so if 4♠ is making, as I think it is, I am doomed to a poor score whether I bid or double UNLESS 5♠ makes: when I return to average. I place the chances of 5♥ going for 500 at a fraction above zero... a very tiny fraction.
So I bid 5♠ as my best chance to get back to the field: anything else is giving up..... have I mentioned that I prefer imps? At imps, 5♠ seems 100%.
BTW, partner's pass was not forcing. 3♠ was not the least bit forcing, and 4♠ could have been bid by us as a save over 4♥. Thus it is illogical to play the pass of 4♠ as forcing, as far as I am concerned, anyway
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Posted 2006-April-05, 13:56
Scoring: MP
1♠-P-3♠*-4♥-
4♠-5♥-P-P-
5♠-P!-P-6♥-
???
*=4 card limit raise
!=first round control showing
1♠-P-3♠*-4♥-
4♠-5♥-P-P-
5♠-P!-P-6♥-
???
*=4 card limit raise
!=first round control showing
Bidding 5♠, it turns out, has more than one way to lose. On the actual hand, West got to make a control-showing pass over 5♠. East decided to take the push. What now? (note:this is not quite a perfect LOTT hand. 22 tricks = 20 trumps + 2 voids + 1 seven bagger = 23
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Posted 2006-April-05, 17:18
Pass isn't forcing over 5♥ (we've gone over this ad nauseum). I would have doubled 5♥ with A-A-K. As south, its a clear 5♠ call after a double or a pass.
6♥ is really a stab, especially in an NABC final.
I think I like a cute 5♣ by West instead of 5♥ to tell pard where his values are. Crazy luck to find pard with 4/5 covers for ♠xx and ♣T9xxx.
6♥ is really a stab, especially in an NABC final.
I think I like a cute 5♣ by West instead of 5♥ to tell pard where his values are. Crazy luck to find pard with 4/5 covers for ♠xx and ♣T9xxx.
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Posted 2006-April-05, 17:22
Well, the actual layout of this hand doesn't mean anything (OK, it means a little thing). I voted for 5S and I am not regretted after seeing the whole hands. On 99% of the chance, we should be able to score at least two tricks (DA and another trick from pd for her 11 or so hcp limited raise).
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Posted 2006-April-05, 20:10
Scoring: MP
1♠-P-3♠*-4♥
-4♠-5♥-P-P
-5♠-P-P-P
* = 4 card limit raise
1♠-P-3♠*-4♥
-4♠-5♥-P-P
-5♠-P-P-P
* = 4 card limit raise
Just kidding gang! You had it right all along. 5♠ was the winning call, and the ACTUAL hand is shown above. 6-4-2-1 pattern has a MUCH higher frequency than 6-4-3-0, so your 5♠ was the percentage call.
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