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4 heart bids opinions please with comments

#1 User is offline   sceptic 

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Posted 2006-April-01, 13:42

1/.


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     -     4♥
 Pass  Pass  Dbl   Pass
 4♠    Pass  Pass  Pass
 



2/.


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     Pass  1♦    4♥
 5♦    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  




what do you think of my 4 Heart bids in these two hands
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Posted 2006-April-01, 13:52

The first one is fine, as long as your partner gets the joke. First seat, favorable, IMPs, singleton spade, all argue for dramatic action. I'm not sure I would do this with a pickup pd.

I hate the second 4H bid. You are way too strong, and the vulnerability is unfavorable. I would double, then bid hearts. You have an excellent hand. Involve partner.

Edit: Opps - didn't see pd was passed. Not crazy about the bid at this vul, but it is not too bad. Any other vul, it is automatic.

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Posted 2006-April-01, 14:05

The first one is a bit silly first to speak. But you certainly picked the right pair to do it against.

The second one is fine opposite a passed partner.

I bet that not all your pre-empts work out as well as these ones did!
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Posted 2006-April-01, 16:07

I don't like the first 4H bid, it's too random for my taste. The second one seems ok.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-April-01, 16:33

Hi,

I dont like the 1st, but you dont win,
if you always bid / play by the book

Similar the 2nd, the suit is to poor,
for my taste and you are to strong,
3H is probably enough, partner will
raise most of the time, should 4h make.
You did not ask about the dbl of 5D,
so I wont comment it, just imagine
someone switched KQ in hearts with
AQ in clubs.

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Posted 2006-April-01, 16:54

1. very light, but nice shape. i'd probably prefer pass, and compete later.

2. nice hand, too good for preempt imo. 1♥ or Double.
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Posted 2006-April-02, 03:37

Double on the second hand with a 7 card heart suit and a singleton spade is revolting. I can think of no nice words to say about it AT ALL. 4H looks a decent each-way bet. Might get hit and be expensive, but then it might not.

4H is a bit rich for me on a ten high suit, even at favourable vul I'm afraid.
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Posted 2006-April-02, 04:50

First one is a bid random for my taste, 3H is probably my limit even 1st NV.

Second 4H is fine opp passed hand - roll the dice and see what happens. Good chance of missing game or letting them find 4S if you don't do it either.
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Posted 2006-April-02, 09:49

I like them both.
Keep preempting and they will mark you as an undesirable opponent :-)
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Posted 2006-April-03, 04:56

1. 3♥ in this position. To dangerous to open 4 in case partner has goes to slam with good hand expecting pictures in hearts

2. 4♥ Since partner has passed, I believe you must bid as high as you can now. Make west have the last guess. North's double of 5♦ looks fine to me. Risk minimal, reward high. West guessed wrong by bidding 5♦. Time to swish the axe.
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