[han]

The juniors may have stamina and energy on their side, but you have experience and judgement on yours.

You are wrong on both accounts Peter. These juniors have more experience than I do, but there is nothing wrong with my stamina .


Partner's hand was something like Qxxx Ax Qxx J10xx, both 3S and 3D make and it is unlikely that partner would bid again if you pass. At the other table my hand opened 1NT and they played in 2S making 3. It turns out that you win the match if you bid 3S, but lose if you pass. I'm not claiming that this is relevant, I was genuinely interested in what people would do with my hand and why.

[Al_U_Card]

Hannie, on Mar 29 2006, 02:47 PM, said:

The juniors may have stamina and energy on their side, but you have experience and judgement on yours.

You are wrong on both accounts Peter. These juniors have more experience than I do, but there is nothing wrong with my stamina .


Partner's hand was something like Qxxx Ax Qxx J10xx, both 3S and 3D make and it is unlikely that partner would bid again if you pass. At the other table my hand opened 1NT and they played in 2S making 3. It turns out that you win the match if you bid 3S, but lose if you pass. I'm not claiming that this is relevant, I was genuinely interested in what people would do with my hand and why.

So Han, you're younger than you state? I wasn't NECESSARILY referring to bridge experience. If you are not experienced then your more than adequate stamina may come from your own self-....awareness

Jokes aside, the state of the match and Neil Young's philosophy about burning out rather than rusting argues for activity

[flytoox]

Hannie, on Mar 29 2006, 07:47 PM, said:

Partner's hand was something like Qxxx Ax Qxx J10xx, both 3S and 3D make and it is unlikely that partner would bid again if you pass. At the other table my hand opened 1NT and they played in 2S making 3. It turns out that you win the match if you bid 3S, but lose if you pass. I'm not claiming that this is relevant, I was genuinely interested in what people would do with my hand and why.

I would say this shows why pass is correct. Yes, pd has a maximum for his pass. What if he has a min for his 1S bid? Then bidding 3S would be a disaster.

[han]

I would say this shows why pass is correct.

If you said that then I would say you made no sense.

[Codo]

Of course pass was correct but just for the opponents.

At the table I had passed too, but it had been very close.

[flytoox]

Hannie, on Mar 30 2006, 12:23 AM, said:

I would say this shows why pass is correct.

If you said that then I would say you made no sense.

Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum.

Besides, right decision doesnot mean right result. The reason why i say pass is correct is that it is correct in the long run, if you trust pd and opps.

More important, I dont think discussing this kind hand wont help much. Next time you will find bidding 3S will cost you the match.

[cherdano]

flytoox, on Mar 30 2006, 01:10 PM, said:

Hannie, on Mar 30 2006, 12:23 AM, said:

I would say this shows why pass is correct.

If you said that then I would say you made no sense.

Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum.

No he may not. (Unless he has an unusal hand, that is.)

[cherdano]

Hannie, on Mar 29 2006, 09:47 PM, said:

Partner's hand was something like Qxxx Ax Qxx J10xx, both 3S and 3D make and it is unlikely that partner would bid again if you pass.

Interesting, seeing both hands, it is not clear where you want to be. It is likely that the 3D bidder has some shortness; since 3D made I suspect his shortness was in clubs (and even so it may have failed with a heart ruff). If his shortness had been in spades, both 3D and 3S would be down.

[mikestar]

flytoox, on Mar 30 2006, 11:10 AM, said:

Hannie, on Mar 30 2006, 12:23 AM, said:

I would say this shows why pass is correct.

If you said that then I would say you made no sense.

Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum.

Besides, right decision doesnot mean right result. The reason why i say pass is correct is that it is correct in the long run, if you trust pd and opps.

More important, I dont think discussing this kind hand wont help much. Next time you will find bidding 3S will cost you the match.

Partner can't bid 4♠ on this auction--he passed rather than making an invitational move. He can't be good enough to justify a game bid. True, if partner isn't advanced enough to recognize 3♠ as competitive, he might bid game.

[mikestar]

I would pass on the actual hand but risk 3♠ with a small stiff. In Mike Lawrence's hand evaluation book, he states: "When you have waste in the enemy suit, partner is minimum." Happens not to be true here, but I've found it to be a long run winner.

Additionally, the hand with the small stiff has a much more favorable ODR--the K♦ is most likely dead worthless on offense but is half a trick on defense: it will score whenever the A is in front of it.

[han]

Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum.


See Arend's comments.

Besides, right decision doesnot mean right result. The reason why i say pass is correct is that it is correct in the long run, if you trust pd and opps.


I bow to the master. I agree with you though that the actual hand says little. At the same time, I always enjoy it when people post the hand, so I did for those who like to see it.

Arend was right btw, the 3D bidder had a club void which is why 3D makes. The heart ruff doesn't beat it.

More important, I dont think discussing this kind hand wont help much. Next time you will find bidding 3S will cost you the match.

One second, let me figure this out. You don't think discussing this kind of hand will not help? I agree, I always found discussing hands to be useful. I don't always know for sure what is correct in the long run.

[jdeegan]

This hand is an extreme counterexample of the LOTT with all its various 'adjustment factors'. I would love to see the whole layout.
Eighteen tricks with sixteen trumps and two suits seriously 'flawed' (i.e. AKJ in spades and K and Q in diamonds in the opponents hands). A two suit fit does exist for one side, but both are 4-4's. There are no long suits and only one void.