[sceptic]

I bid 1 heart over p's opening 1 diamond

I then bid 2 spades encouraging a forcing situation (I hope) as 3 diamonds is not forcing (I was looking for 3NT)

pards 3 heart bid was 3 cards (I assumed and denying a club stopper)

what do you think of the bidding so far and how badly judged was my 4diamond bid?

what should I have done/

here is the hand

thx

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     Pass  1♦    Pass
 1♥    Pass  2♦    Pass
 2♠    Pass  3♥    Pass
 4♦    Pass  Pass  Pass
 

[mr1303]

I think your bidding was reasonable. Your partner's bidding left a lot to be desired.

1) To rebid your suit when partner responds at the 1 level shows a 6 card suit. He should either raise to 2H directly (my choice) or bid 1NT.

2) 4D looks 100% forcing to me

[badderzboy]

Keep it simple Wayne,

1♦-1♥

1NT was better here than 2♦

but after 1NT or 2♦

-3NT

[Walddk]

The 2♦ rebid created the problem. This is a 1NT rebid to me although I know that some would raise to 2♥. If they do, they'd better have a relay complex for the continuation. I've got one but would still prefer 1NT with J10 in spades, often a useful holding for notrump.

You bid well, your partner less so. Nowhere during the auction did he show that he had a balanced hand well suited for notrump. And finally, in my book he can't pass 4♦.

If I were to guess opener's shape on the auction up to 3♥, it would be 3361, 2362 or 1363, definitely not 2353.



Roland

[Walddk]

badderzboy, on Mar 16 2006, 12:08 PM, said:

Keep it simple Wayne,

1♦-1♥

1NT was better here than 2♦

but after 1NT or 2♦

-3NT

I don't agree. Opener could well be 3361 and then I don't want to be in 3NT.

J10x
Kxx
AQJxxx
x

Feel free to be in 3NT against me. I rely on my team-mates to be in 5♦ or 4♥.

Roland

[whereagles]

Agree with baddzer. There is much to be said for simplifying things. It avoids trouble and in bridge that pays out in the long run.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would have bid 1NT over 1H,
and I would have bid 3NT instead
of 2S.

I will focus on 2S, since other did already
focus on 2D:

2S says, that responder is worried about
NT being the right place.
That means: responder is showing either
a 5 card heart suit or an unbal. hand and
the willingness to play 4H in a 4-3 fit.

Responder holding a 4-3-3-3 shape with
opening strength has no reason to be afraid of
3NT.

If he does not tell evrybody that he holds spade
values he may even catch a spade lead, afterall
opponents will hold 7 cards, ... and they will know
it from the bidding.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S
was an advanced cue bid.

[ArcLight]

I think opener should have bid 2♥ rather than 1NT (or than 2♦).
Opener doesn't have a spade stopper, and responder (you) may have 5 hearts.
Aces are great to have in a suit contract. If you are minimum, you can passout in 2♥. With a stronger hand you can make other bids, looking for NT.

[P_Marlowe]

sceptic, on Mar 16 2006, 08:24 AM, said:

Quote

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S
was an advanced cue bid.

can you explain this a bit further please, I don't understand what you mean it is an advanced cue bid THX

Hi,

adv. cue: You have a fit for partner but no cheap
way to create a force.

In the given situation you may have 4-4 in hearts
and diamonds, and +15HCP, i.e. you are interested
in playing 6D, if partner has a 4 card suit.
But even if playing inverted minors, you bid your mayor
first in an attemp to locate a mayor suit fit.

After 2D, you do not have a cheap force available
whicht agrees diamonds as trumps, ... the only bid
would be 4D.
That's why you bid 2S as an cuebid, but partner will
not understand the meaning of 2S immediatly, only
after 4D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

[deleted, Marlowe explained it better than I]

[P_Marlowe]

sceptic, on Mar 16 2006, 08:22 AM, said:

Quote

2S says, that responder is worried about
NT being the right place.
That means: responder is showing either
a 5 card heart suit or an unbal. hand and
the willingness to play 4H in a 4-3 fit.

I was worried about NT being the right place I had no club stoppers and I am happy to play 4/3 fits and I am not sure it 100% shows 5 hearts

again I may be wrong just trying to understand

Hi,

2S is not wrong, it may even be best .-).

Over the 3H response you could have
bid 3NT, which would have completed
the description of your hand.
Only a 4 card heart suit, and that you are
worried about 3NT, and the only unbid suit
is clubs, so with clubs well stopped, opener
will pass.

The problem I have with 2S is, that you
pinpoint a club lead, which may help the
opponents to find the killing lead.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: As long as you know, why you choose
certain bids, those choices are never wrong,
experience may tell you later, that the bid was
unwise, but ...

[cherdano]

P_Marlowe, on Mar 16 2006, 02:46 PM, said:

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S
was an advanced cue bid.

I wouldn't take it as advance cue. This sequence is just bidding out shape, it isn't even 100% slam going, could just be looking for the best game IMO.

[luis]

You and your pd are guilty of the same problem: Not bidding NT with a balanced hand.
Your pd has a clear 1NT bid with his balanced hand, 1♦ - 1♥ ; 2♦ is always unbalanced.
Once pd showed an unbalanced hand you have some reasons for not bidding 3NT but somehow I think you still have to bid 3NT because you have a balanced hand with only 4 hearts.

Luis