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It's your call You approach after oppnents preempt

Poll: What would you bid? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

What would you bid?

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 4s (18 votes [69.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

  3. 5c (7 votes [26.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.92%

  4. other (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

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Posted 2006-March-09, 13:07

Scoring: IMP


East.........South...........West...........North
pass.........pass............1♦..........dbl
4♦.......pass.............pass...........dbl
pass.........?

What would you bid with good but unknown partner?
What is your agreements with regular partner according second double?
Do you have different agreements against opponents playing Precision?
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Posted 2006-March-09, 13:11

Takeout and Takeout of course.
I'm tempted to bid 6♠ but I can't mastermind the auction
So 4♠

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Posted 2006-March-09, 14:02

At imps, I bid 5♣

At mps, probably 4♠

The second double is primarily takeout but will be left in quite often. The lack of a 5♦ call by either opp worries me: I suppose it is still possible that partner is 4=4=1=4, but I suspect some 4432 shape with doubleton ♦.

There is no compelling reason to expect a 4=4=2=3 rather than a 3=4=2=4, for example: my possession of extra ♣ length has only a minor impact on expectations.

Furthermore, I see very little chance of our having a 5=4 ♠ fit and even a 4=4 is in jeopardy should the suit break 4-1.

I think that 5♣ rates to be the safer game, and that is my goal on this hand. I am not thinking of slam. Sure, it may be cold, but I am unable to make any move that would help partner, so it is irrelevant. And I don't care about losing an imp to a successful 4=4 ♠ game.

I may end up being sorry if partner is 4=4=3=2 (altho I am not always down in 5♣ when he is) but I rank this as less likely than his being 3=4=2=4 or 3=4=3=3 huge: in either of the latter cases, 4♠ may become uncomfortable on a 4-1 or 4-2 trump break (or even a 3-3)
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Posted 2006-March-09, 14:41

I'll go with 4S and hope we have a 4-4 fit. I can think of many layouts where 4S makes and 5C doesn't, unfortunately I can think of many where the converse is true as well.
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Posted 2006-March-09, 17:37

4♠, despite the very long ♣s...
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Posted 2006-March-09, 19:55

4♠ for me too. It's likely to be the practical contract
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Posted 2006-March-10, 03:03

Both are t/o double of course.

4♠

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Posted 2006-March-10, 13:57

olegru, on Mar 9 2006, 02:07 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP


East.........South...........West...........North
pass.........pass............1♦..........dbl
4♦.......pass.............pass...........dbl
pass.........?

What would you bid with good but unknown partner?
What is your agreements with regular partner according second double?
Do you have different agreements against opponents playing Precision?

Well, there's the danger of being tapped out in 4♠ if trumps don't break, but then again, how are we taking 5♣ if that's the case?

So, 4♠ it is and let's hope...

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Posted 2006-March-10, 14:50

akhare, on Mar 10 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

Well, there's the danger of being tapped out in 4♠ if trumps don't break, but then again, how are we taking 5♣ if that's the case?

So, 4♠ it is and let's hope...

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would he bid any differently? I can make 4♠ on a good day, but I'd rather be in 6♣ than 4♠ (not that I am getting to slam).

The reality is that most hands both games make and some hands one makes and the other fails. The question is whether there are more hands that fail in 4♠ (due to the fact that there is a significant risk of LHO holding 4♠ and that you may be in a 4-3 fit) or in 5♣, due essentially to the risk that partner has 4 good ♠ and short ♣, plus you are a level higher.

My vote (and I appear to be in a minority of one) is that 4♠ is more dangerous than 5♣, but I think it is exceedingly close and I certainly do not fault 4♠
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Posted 2006-March-10, 15:49

I think that 5C is slightly safer so I'd bid that at IMPs.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-March-11, 11:12

Easy.

The major in matchpoints
The minor in imps.
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Posted 2006-March-11, 18:01

i will bid 5♣. but the reason is to show my valuable hand--otherwise i will transfer this t/o double to punish.

partner shows his great hand with 18hcpS+, if he has some honor on ♦ and between 17-18hcps,he tend to overcall 1nt even if 4=4=4=1,of course maybe 4=4=3=2 .

i will believe opps 4♦ preemption and partner's choice,with a viod and 21 valuable HCPS and 9cards trump ,5♣ has chance. if i bid 4♠ i never shows my valuable hand.,and it maybe lose slam ---of course it isn't the focus but has some help to analyse.


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