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Poll: Rebid Question (22 member(s) have cast votes)

Rebid Question

  1. 2 Hearts (7 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

  2. 3 Clubs (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  3. 3 Hearts (9 votes [40.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.91%

  4. 4 Hearts (3 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  5. Other (2 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2006-March-05, 11:46

Scoring: IMP


Pass, Pass, RHO opens 1♦. You choose to double.

LHO bids 2♣, natural. Pard doubles (penalty by agreement), RHO passes.

Whats your call?
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Posted 2006-March-05, 11:53

I'd go with 3H. Probably only worth 2H.
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Posted 2006-March-05, 13:15

"I'd go with 3H. Probably only worth 2H."

2H. I'm not smart enough for 3H :rolleyes:

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Posted 2006-March-06, 04:03

3♥ for me too. The hand is a bit too good for 2♥ (or maybe I'm not chicken enough)
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Posted 2006-March-06, 04:15

I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern.

Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here?

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Posted 2006-March-06, 04:52

I don't understand 3H. Surely that shows an absolutely enormous hand? 2H shows a hand that we thought was too good to overcall 1H, and isn't that exactly what we've got?
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Posted 2006-March-06, 04:54

With a well knows partner 2♥ seems good enough, but with a pickup partner?
I'll bid 4♥, partner can correct to 4♠ if he has support there.
If he can penalty dbl ♣, I won't have 2 loosers in ♣.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:19

3H, which sould show a semiforcing in hearts,
and since partner showed some live, it should
be game forcing.

I think 4H is also an valid option, but not 2H,
sry this can be passed, it says simply, I dont
want to defend.

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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:21

cherdano, on Mar 6 2006, 05:15 AM, said:

I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern.

Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here?

Arend

Yes, I can.
I have a hard time constructing
a hand, I would pass, but then
some people double holding
opening strength with 5-4 in
the mayors.

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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:42

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Pass, Pass, RHO opens 1♦. You choose to double.


I prefer 1♥ over Double.

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LHO bids 2♣, natural. Pard doubles (penalty by agreement), RHO passes.

Whats your call?


2♥ showing a big hand with ♥.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:47

P_Marlowe, on Mar 6 2006, 01:21 PM, said:

cherdano, on Mar 6 2006, 05:15 AM, said:

I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern.

Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here?

Arend

Yes, I can.
I have a hard time constructing
a hand, I would pass, but then
some people double holding
opening strength with 5-4 in
the mayors.

With kind regards
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Well but they would play 2♣ if partner bids it, right? So how can't the play 2♣X if partner doubles it?

Unless you have the agreement that puling 2♣ to 2♥ doesn't show a big hand, I don't think you can pull here without showing a big hand.

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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:48

what's wrong with 3♣ here? it's possible partner has 4 spades.. if he says 3nt (or 3♦), then 3♥
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Posted 2006-March-06, 06:40

What the heck does the penalty double show? Cards and clubs, or just clubs???
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Posted 2006-March-06, 06:45

cherdano, on Mar 6 2006, 06:47 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Mar 6 2006, 01:21 PM, said:

cherdano, on Mar 6 2006, 05:15 AM, said:

I think 2♥ should be forcing here. Obviously (?), we were always planning to pull clubs to hearts, so 2♥ shows a strong hand. Partner's double showed some values, so I can't see how the bidding should stop at 2♥, and I have good use for additional space with this pattern.

Famous last words. Can anybody imagine 2♥ passed out here?

Arend

Yes, I can.
I have a hard time constructing
a hand, I would pass, but then
some people double holding
opening strength with 5-4 in
the mayors.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Well but they would play 2♣ if partner bids it, right? So how can't the play 2♣X if partner doubles it?

Unless you have the agreement that puling 2♣ to 2♥ doesn't show a big hand, I don't think you can pull here without showing a big hand.

Arend

Hi,

maybe they would play 2CX, maybe not.

And then, what does "big" hand mean?
What is your max. strength for a 1 level
overcall 15,16,17 HCP?

Sry, I will bid 3H, which is 100% forcing,
I dont think we have slam, and if we have,
the room between 3H and 4H is enough to
find out, ... I know what suit I would like to
have as trump suit.

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Posted 2006-March-06, 07:41

I don't remember ever doubling with my own suit, so I am not familair with this sequencee. I guess I would just bid what I think I can make: 4♥
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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:02

I bid 4♥, on similar reasoning as Gonzalo. I really don't know the difference between 3♥ and 4♥, but I don't agree that 2♥ should be forcing. I think 2♥ shows a weak, shapely takeout double; more like: QJxx, AKTxx, x, xxx.

Mr pard passed 4♥ with: Jx, Jxxx, xxx, AKJx. Perhaps this isn't the easiest slam to get to, but 3♥ should get you a 4♣ cue, which probably gets you to 6.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:10

FrancesHinden, on Mar 6 2006, 05:52 AM, said:

I don't understand 3H. Surely that shows an absolutely enormous hand? 2H shows a hand that we thought was too good to overcall 1H, and isn't that exactly what we've got?

I think in terms of playing strength this is stronger than usual. For instance, we make game opposite Qx of spades, a doubleton heart, and out. Partner's club values seem to be good since that is our doubleton (with a stiff club I'd just bid 2H). That will be what I tell partner as I go set in 4H anyways B)
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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:15

UH OH B) , Minority report, I like 3D. If pard has a D stop, let's try for game in NT.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 19:53

:) Why isn't Pass a choice? True, if we have a game, then we have to hold them to four tricks, but nobody thinks we have a game for sure. If no game, then holding them to 5 or 6 tricks will be an excellent result.
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