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Re-Open? Do you act, red at imps?

Poll: What do you do in the pass-out seat? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you do in the pass-out seat?

  1. Double (take-out) (2 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  2. Pass, too weak to act (13 votes [61.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.90%

  3. Pass, double would be penalties (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4D (3 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  5. I would have bid 3D over 1S (3 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:01

Scoring: IMP

(1S) P (3S) P
(P) ?

3S pre-emptive

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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:07

4♦.

Pard has a decent hand but couldn't take a call over 3♠; can't I hope for: QJxx, x, Axxx, AQxx?

White on red I would have found a 3♦ call initially.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:07

I voted for pass, too weak to act. If I X, I'm too afraid partner will sit expecting a big number only to be disappointed, I'm not really that eager to be in 4H either. Bidding is not crazy though.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:26

Pass I like to avoid disaster
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Posted 2006-March-06, 10:35

Pard is marked with 13-15 or so. He didn't bid because he has spade lenght, which is quite plausible. Points break 20-20 and I have a void in their suit. I sure am bidding something here..

Double seems the best bid here, intending to convert 4♣ to 4♦. This pull-out is reasonable because pard can't have a 1-suiter. With a suit, spade lenght and fair hand, he would have already bid something over 3♠.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 13:16

pass, might had bid 3♦ before.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 14:41

If you don't bid 3♦ before, you definitely can't now reenter the auction.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 15:21

I pass, but I am innately conservative by today's standards.

My concern is that partner will normally hold 4 ♠ and there is no reason to assume that:

1) they are making 3♠
2) we are making our contract
3) we can reach and stop in our best spot

If they are failing in 3♠ (and why not?), then what are we gaining by trying to score 130 in ♦. I'll spot you that imp in exchange for avoiding disaster.

Why are we going to make 4♦? Don't we have a lot of losers, or is that my imagination? Why does partner have to hold 3+♦? And if he is short in ♦, our defence goes up and our offence down.

If we can make 4♦, just maybe partner will bid 5. Now, if he does so, we may well have a play, to the point that this is not really a negative.

BTW, I have assumed that we were balancing with 4♦. Double is suicidal/fraticidal.... what are YOU leading after double, and 3N (intending to correct 4♣ to 4♦) is gambling that partner, with say 4=4=1=4 doesn't bless you for showing both minors and leaps to 5♣.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 15:22

pass :)
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Posted 2006-March-06, 15:47

Throwing caution to the wind, does the LOTT, such as it is, not indicate that we have a 9+8 situation here? (At worst.) If we go down 2 doubled in 4 of a red suit (-300) when they are making 140, so be it. If pard has more in D then -100 is ok and making doubled is a possibility. Sometimes the 1S bidder won't double because he thinks that it is your hand (which it may well be...)
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Posted 2006-March-06, 18:51

I would have much preferred 3♦ at 1st opportunity.
I do not feel up to doubling (no defense, and the 5432 suit in hearts is not encouraging). And if I've to bid 4♦ now, I should have introduced my suit earlier.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 19:56

:) PASS. I'm not risking life an limb to save against -140.
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Posted 2006-March-08, 08:47

I would have passed out 3S.

Tom Townsend (a better player than I am, but I can still beat him at arm wrestling) doubled in the pass out seat. That resulted in an easy +600 in 5D (bidding diamonds at any time has the same effect, unless you tried 3D on the first round which on a bad day would end in 6D-1). Partner has a 3244 16-count.
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