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You hold Axx KQx AT987xx ---. Red/White imps.
2 passes to RHO who opens 1C. You bid 1D, LHO bids 5C and partner Xs.
Some info... LHO is very agressive at these colors, partner is a very agressive Xer, and RHO is capable of opening quite light for a lead in 3rd seat. What's your bid?
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Posted 2006-March-03, 11:30
Can't be bothered to format the text, huh?
Anyway, I pass. Not going to guess this high.
Anyway, I pass. Not going to guess this high.
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Posted 2006-March-03, 11:30
I bid 5♦ I don't like to leave potentially agressive doubles with a 7 card suit and a void in clubs. If they are good players they won't be bidding 5♣ to go for a number. 5♦ might make, or 5♣ might make so only when both contracts are down pulling the double is wrong based on that I think I have a good reason to pull.
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Posted 2006-March-03, 11:40
whereagles, on Mar 3 2006, 12:30 PM, said:
Can't be bothered to format the text, huh?
No, this is how I write my problems. This is how I've always written them.
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Posted 2006-March-03, 11:51
Well I know the hand and the winning decision, but I am a simple sole and am just bidding 5D....
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Posted 2006-March-03, 11:55
Pass
I have not gotten any x's right in the last month.
I have not gotten any x's right in the last month.
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Posted 2006-March-03, 14:48
IMO the question to ask is what is this double? Basically, I would take it as a maximum pass card-showing let's not get stolen from type of bid with some kind of tolerance for diamonds. If I had to construct a hand, I'd guess something like:
Kxx, Axxx, Qx, J10xx or thereabouts.
I bid 5D, although a case can be made for bidding 6 in an attempt to drive the opponents into a save.
Winston
Kxx, Axxx, Qx, J10xx or thereabouts.
I bid 5D, although a case can be made for bidding 6 in an attempt to drive the opponents into a save.
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Posted 2006-March-03, 15:08
5♦. By the way, I play this double as card showing so its a little easier to pull.
Preempts work.
Preempts work.
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Posted 2006-March-03, 19:15
Pass
Maybe we can make 5♦: if I had to guess, I would say we probably can. But we rate to go +500 on average on defence, and playing in 5♦, if we make 80% of the time, and only go -100 when we fail, we average less than +400. In imps, we are risking 12 imps to win 3.
And this is being generous since I would expect our upside to be +800 more often than only 300, and on a few occasions, 5♦ may be hopeless and doubled.
Maybe we can make 5♦: if I had to guess, I would say we probably can. But we rate to go +500 on average on defence, and playing in 5♦, if we make 80% of the time, and only go -100 when we fail, we average less than +400. In imps, we are risking 12 imps to win 3.
And this is being generous since I would expect our upside to be +800 more often than only 300, and on a few occasions, 5♦ may be hopeless and doubled.
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Posted 2006-March-04, 09:24
I also pass. I expect partner to usually have more values in clubs than the hand that Winston suggests. If not, we are still going plus.
Ignore my comment if I got the hand wrong due to the difficult format.
Ignore my comment if I got the hand wrong due to the difficult format.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2006-March-04, 09:32
Pass.
Much harder at matchpoints.
Much harder at matchpoints.
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Posted 2006-March-04, 15:42
The winning bid was 6D (barring a double dummy lead). I tried 5D at the table, and confess my only choices were 5D and pass. Partner had JTxx AJxxx K JTx.
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Posted 2006-March-04, 18:37
The problem here is if pass is forcing or not. My teammates had a similar missunderstanding today, getting +300 instead of +2210, +1460 or even +710.
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Posted 2006-March-04, 21:42
Jlall, on Mar 4 2006, 04:42 PM, said:
The winning bid was 6D (barring a double dummy lead). I tried 5D at the table, and confess my only choices were 5D and pass. Partner had JTxx AJxxx K JTx.
You are fortunate: most partnerships don't play passed hand negative doubles at the 5-level when partner overcalls.
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Posted 2006-March-05, 04:49
Fluffy, on Mar 5 2006, 01:37 AM, said:
The problem here is if pass is forcing or not. My teammates had a similar missunderstanding today, getting +300 instead of +2210, +1460 or even +710.
I'm not sure what you mean.
If partner had passed over 5C, of course that isn't forcing.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 04:07
How much was 5♣X? My choice was between P and 5♦, obviously. It would have been an agonizing one in either case
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Posted 2006-March-06, 07:43
FrancesHinden, on Mar 5 2006, 10:49 AM, said:
Fluffy, on Mar 5 2006, 01:37 AM, said:
The problem here is if pass is forcing or not. My teammates had a similar missunderstanding today, getting +300 instead of +2210, +1460 or even +710.
I'm not sure what you mean.
If partner had passed over 5C, of course that isn't forcing.
You can play it that way, but certainly when an opponent bids a contract he is obviously not trying to make, playing forcing pass might not be a bad idea.
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