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What to lead Against 3NT
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Posted 2006-March-05, 18:06
What's your lead?
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Posted 2006-March-05, 18:08
spade...seems like the best chance to set up some tricks.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 03:03
Spade.
I'm tempted to say "what else?" but I assume something else beats the contract.
I'm tempted to say "what else?" but I assume something else beats the contract.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 03:59
Spades, wtp?
But which one? I would loose some thoughts about a singelton King or queen in Dummy, but will still lead the 4. highest of my strongest suit.
But which one? I would loose some thoughts about a singelton King or queen in Dummy, but will still lead the 4. highest of my strongest suit.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 03:59
FrancesHinden, on Mar 6 2006, 10:03 AM, said:
Spade.
I'm tempted to say "what else?" but I assume something else beats the contract.
I'm tempted to say "what else?" but I assume something else beats the contract.
I Agree, what's the problem?
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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:13
There is an obvious problem, otherwise it would not be here, would it?
If you want to beat this 3N, you must lead a club (before you ask, I led a spade).
I just wanted to see if someone was so inspired as to lead a club
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Posted 2006-March-06, 05:17
Obvious club lead, wtp?
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Posted 2006-March-06, 08:40
cherdano, on Mar 6 2006, 11:17 AM, said:
Obvious club lead, wtp?
ditto
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Posted 2006-March-06, 11:07
cherdano, on Mar 6 2006, 11:17 AM, said:
Obvious club lead, wtp?
yeah.. i cannot imagine not leading a club
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Posted 2006-March-06, 11:12
Looks like any lead will beat this (defensive intra finesse in hearts on a spade lead). You didn't ask but I will defend accurately after my lead 
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Posted 2006-March-06, 11:21
Do you still beat it if North puts up the SQ at trick 1?
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Posted 2006-March-06, 11:38
If you don't lead a club, the only defence to beat it is ♠A!!, and then a club switch. Automatic, hmmm. It makes if you lead any low spade.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 11:52
I'll take your word for it roland. I will also bet that on a low spade lead with a normal (aka non double dummy) line of play it will go set. spade to the queen and king. Declarer will most likely try to set up clubs, leading low to the jack. If north wins and plays a spade, and south guesses well to win and lead a heart to the 8 and T, would declarer not just cross to the diamond ace and try the AK of clubs? If he does so, he will have to find 2 pitches from his hand, and will go set. I don't see any other line of play.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 12:47
Absolutely right, Justin. Even on a low spade lead to the queen and king, declarer is likely to go down. The winning (double dummy) line is to strip South of exit cards in the minors:
Spade to the queen and king.
Club to the ace.
♣K.
♦A.
♦Q.
♠9.
And South is endplayed. I would like to see the declarer that finds this line in real life ... or on the internet for that matter. If someone really plays the hand this way, it will also be natural to come up with the double dummy defence:
Either a club lead, or
♠A and a club switch.
Roland
Spade to the queen and king.
Club to the ace.
♣K.
♦A.
♦Q.
♠9.
And South is endplayed. I would like to see the declarer that finds this line in real life ... or on the internet for that matter. If someone really plays the hand this way, it will also be natural to come up with the double dummy defence:
Either a club lead, or
♠A and a club switch.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 12:48
A meaningless problem. Everybody leads a ♣.... ooops, I meant everybody leads a ♠. So the ♣ leads to an easy set while the ♠ requires us to spent energy to see if Justin's analysis is correct, and I don't care enough to do so.
What does this prove? That bridge is a game of percentages, and sometimes the best lead fails (or maybe it doesn't). This is not a true lead problem hand: a hand that affords several choices with varying degrees of intelligent reasoning for or against a particular choice. I am back to where I began: this is a meaningless problem
What does this prove? That bridge is a game of percentages, and sometimes the best lead fails (or maybe it doesn't). This is not a true lead problem hand: a hand that affords several choices with varying degrees of intelligent reasoning for or against a particular choice. I am back to where I began: this is a meaningless problem
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Posted 2006-March-06, 12:50
Actually, on the auction, Roland's line of play is not that unrealistic. Setting up clubs must look pretty unlikely.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 17:20
The play at the table was:
Without a club lead, if declarer plays well, there is no defense.
- 4S, small, Q, K
- xD, small, J, small
- JH, Q, K, A
- JS, small, small, small
- xC, A, small, small
- AD, small, small, T
Without a club lead, if declarer plays well, there is no defense.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 17:33
uhh.. Jack of hearts Q K A? You really claim there's no defense after this? Try again 
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Posted 2006-March-06, 17:45
I do. Go ahead.
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Posted 2006-March-06, 17:52
Just returning a heart at that point beats it pretty easily. 3 hearts + 2 spades for defense. Declarer has 1 heart, 1 spade, 4 diamonds, 2 clubs. Entries are fine (south has a spade entry).
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