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Weak hearts

Poll: What will be your bid? (40 member(s) have cast votes)

What will be your bid?

  1. pass (6 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  2. double (30 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  3. 1NT (? if 1NT, explain it pls) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2D (2 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  5. 2H (2 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  6. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Miron 

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Posted 2006-February-23, 12:53



1♦ - 1♠ - ?

What will be your bid?

Partner told my: another bid you don't have. So I really want to know, if I am bidding that bad. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2006-February-23, 12:57

x
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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:04

Double, light but I might have a terrible problem in the next round so do I owe pd a Jack or 2 ? Not a problem, do I owe him some clubs? Not really.
Double is fine.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:05

Double, hearts are weak but I have 5 and I only promise 4.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:10

Double, I'm not sure what Luis is rambling about, this is not too light at all imo. :P
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:14

hmm this must be a "bizzarro world" posting, I think x is fine and Luis of all people is worried about x being lightish :P.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:21

I really don't like the 3 small spades, hate that holding.
But X anyway.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:24

Ah, another facet of the 3-small theory. How are your experiences so far Luis?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:26

Hannie, on Feb 23 2006, 07:24 PM, said:

Ah, another facet of the 3-small theory. How are your experiences so far Luis?

All my experiences are terrible :-)
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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:35

I like pass here; it's unlikely to end the auction. If I double and partner bids 2♣ or 1NT, what's my next call? It seems like bidding 2♥ could be either great or a disaster...

If I pass and partner balances with a double, I'm happy to have found hearts (the 5-3 fit is hard to find if I start with double). If partner passes it out, then opponents have at most 7 spades and possibly 6 between them, so this could be a good spot. If partner balances with 2♣ then I know partner won't have a heart fit and I can happily correct to diamonds.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 14:13

X seems like a no brainer.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 15:18

♠xxx is bad, but everything else is fine.

My regular pard has a real bad habit of taking his personal biases too far, especially in bidding.

Over the last month I've seen:

A 19 count 4333 opened 1N ("I hate 4 triple 3's"). Result: +180 when the 7 count passed.

A 13 count 4333 passed with an ace and 2 kings. Result: 6N -1 (actually unlucky) with the following auction: Pass (?) - 1♦ - 1♠ - 2N - 6N (?).

Those that seize up whenever then hold xxx in the opponents suit are doing so without looking in the full context of the hand. Pard can (and should) downgrade his own honors in the slot, without you compensating.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 15:56

awm, on Feb 23 2006, 02:35 PM, said:

I like pass here; it's unlikely to end the auction. If I double and partner bids 2♣ or 1NT, what's my next call? It seems like bidding 2♥ could be either great or a disaster...

If I double and partner bids 2C then I bid 2D, I really don't see the problem. If the auction had gone 1D-1H-2C then I would bid 2D and feel good about it, what's the difference?

If I double and partner bids 1NT then I pass, just as I would have over 1D-1H-1NT. This doesn't both me much either.

If I pass and it goes 2S-p-p then I will have a much harder problem.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 15:56

luis, on Feb 23 2006, 02:04 PM, said:

Double, light but I might have a terrible problem in the next round so do I owe pd a Jack or 2 ? Not a problem, do I owe him some clubs? Not really.
Double is fine.

Luis

Only because you can't bid 1 spade yourself?...lol
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Posted 2006-February-23, 15:59

luis, on Feb 23 2006, 02:26 PM, said:

Hannie, on Feb 23 2006, 07:24 PM, said:

Ah, another facet of the 3-small theory. How are your experiences so far Luis?

All my experiences are terrible :-)

lol!

But seriously, last time you said that you were going to be a lot less aggressive with xxx in their suits (I apologize if I'm phrasing it incorrectly), and you were going to keep track of your results. Do you have enough data already to say something interesting about this?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2006-February-24, 03:54

<skiped>

misread the problem

Marlowe

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Posted 2006-February-24, 04:43

Dbl, a bit light but 5♥
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Posted 2006-February-24, 05:02

Minimum for the bid but X clearly marks the spot. I would not criticize pass either.

However I would criticize:

1NT (no stopper)
2♦ (no fit)
2♥ (no good suit, even if 2♥ is not forcing)
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Posted 2006-February-24, 05:18

pclayton, on Feb 23 2006, 11:18 PM, said:

A 13 count 4333 passed with an ace and 2 kings. Result: 6N -1 (actually unlucky) with the following auction: Pass (?) - 1♦ - 1♠ - 2N - 6N (?). 

Wow, and I thought my partner was going far when he passed a 4333 12 count with an ace and AQ in the four-card suit :angry: :wub: ;)
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Posted 2006-February-24, 05:33

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Wow, and I thought my partner was going far when he passed a 4333 12 count with an ace and AQ in the four-card suit


Now that I can understand, it can be right to pass those hands some times. After all, you have only 12 HCP, 4 controls and 8 Zar shape points for a total of 24 Zar.

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