[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

P - (3♣) - ?

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Your call please.

[awm]

I'd go with double. If we have a big major suit fit we've probably got a game, but I'm not willing to commit by bidding 4♣ right away. On the off chance that double is passed out, I have at least two defensive tricks and partner should have a decent stack of clubs.

[mr1303]

Uggh. What a horrible hand.

I just think that whatever I bid here will be wrong. I'll make a very wet pass and take the blame from partner later.

[coyot]

Bid 4♣ and pass whatever partner says.

I'm not really afraid of getting a bad score. If there is enough strength behind me to double 4 of anything, we're most likely defending against 3NT that is likely to make as all missing club values are in front of the preempt.

Of course, if partner has KJx in clubs and another king on the side, perfectly average hand in strength, that's a pity ... but if his 7 points are good ones, the game has chances worth trying.

[Miron]

Double. For 4♥♠ when ruffing in long trumps, I will need 9+card fit. If partners pass, I have very good hand for defence.

[Free]

Dbl, I don't have the values but I have extra Majors. We can still signoff at 3-level, but that depends on partner.

[luke warm]

double or pass are the only bids i'd consider... i guess i'd double

[Blofeld]

Yeah, double and pass whatever partner produces.

Sometimes partner will pass 3♣. Occasionally 3♣ may even go down.

[luis]

4♣ pick a major. Doubling with a void is terrible to me.

Luis

[pbleighton]

4C.

For doublers, what do you do after 4D from pd?

Peter

[Miron]

What? Pass or 5♦ (would say 5♦, but pass is quite reasonable).

[pbleighton]

"What? Pass or 5D (would say 5D, but pass is quite reasonable). "

Pd is a passed hand, you have 11 hcp, you have J104 in diamonds, and you would raise to 5D?

And I though I was optimistic

Peter

[luis]

Miron, on Feb 22 2006, 02:10 PM, said:

What? Pass or 5♦ (would say 5♦, but pass is quite reasonable).

5♦ over 4♦ is very interesting how fast can you run after tabling dummy ? There are 3 things that can go wrong with the double of 3♣

- Pd can bid 3NT
- Pd can bid 4♦
- Pd can pass 3♣x

Only when pd has a 4 card major AND decides to bid it instead of leaving the double or bidding 3NT only then you have made the right call with dbl. I would say it is risking too much.

Luis

[Miron]

OK, 5♦ over 4♦ are crazy

Pass could be quite good.
4D will be played.
Over 3NT: pass (or 4♣ and pass partner's bid). (Double comrades, what will you choose? Other's can join as well ).

[pclayton]

I'll double.

4♣ looks like a tilt call to me, but could work.

If 3N gets hit, I'll then pull to 4♣.

[mike777]

3H.

Planning on bidding 4clubs over 3nt by partner.

I think x and then 4clubs would show a much more powerful hand.
I think x and pulling 3nt would show a much more powerful hand.
My guess is it is the opponent's hand not ours. We will be the ones sacrificing.

[kgr]

Question: What does 4C show? Does it specifically show the Majors or does it show a 2 suiter? And do you consider it "standard"?

[mikeh]

Thank god partner is a passed hand!

4♣: an enormous overbid, saved by partner's passed hand status.. I hope.

I am at the very least a King light: AKxxx AQxxx J10x would be a minimum for me for this auction.

Double is horrible: there has to be a significant risk of at east three unmanageable continuations:

1. It's my lead
2. I have to bid over 3♦ (I'd be happier over 4♦)
3. I am laying down dummy in 3N..... and I sure am not bidding over 3N: that would be an even grosser overbid than 4♣ initially

As for the thought of 4♣ fetching 4♦.. it is impossible: 4♣ is NOT a 3-suited takeout: it shows the majors (for me... and I may be in the minority here, so do not intend to be dogmatic). Altho there is a case for 4♦ asking me to bid my better major

I admit that were I 4=4=5=0 monster hand, I'd like 4♣ to be 3-suited, but, for me, it is not: that hand I double and hope to survive.