[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(P) - P - (P) - ?

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You are playing relay precision. Partner can have as much as a bad 12 count for his pass if he's balanced. He will open most other hands on a rule of 19 basis.

Do you open in 4th seat at teams?

[Walddk]

No, especially not when playing Precision where I must open 1♦. Pass seems to be the best chance to go "plus". But I would also pass in any natural system.

Roland

[Gerben42]

No, I'd pass. I assume your opening bid on this dist. would be 2♦? (3-suited short in ♦). I won't bid that.

[joker_gib]

I pass too.

We had spades ! Sorry, next board please...

Alain

[Echognome]

My system bid on the hand would be 1♦ showing 4+ most of the time.

[Gerben42]

Sorry you were short in ♥, not ♦. I still pass though

[Miron]

Pass. Few points and just 4 spades (cannot open 1♠). Even if I had 5 spades I would be thinking a lot.

[Free]

easy pass

[pclayton]

Pass looks clear. Its not everyday you pick up a 9 count looking at 3 green cards.

[luis]

Pass, a lock

[suokko]

Someone clearly forget to open and it's definetly not my partner (I could have forget to open but it's different story). I would pass. if changing points to aces there would be reason to try something but now values seems very bad. Opps are having more aces than our side. They have better chance to have the 18 hcp game than we have.

Precision and opening with rule 18/19 makes this very easy pass.

[hrothgar]

Comment 1: Many of the individual's posting seem to be ignoring the potential that you'll miss a nice +140. Even +420 or so is possible. How would you feel if partner tabled

♠ AKxxx
♥ xxxx
♦ Qxx
♣ x

(While this is an opening bid playing MOSCITO, I'd expect many Precision pairs to pass)

Comment 2: Like most posters, I'd pass. I'm worried about an auction like

1♦ - 1♥
1♠ - 2♣ (4th suit forcing)

which could easily spiral out of control. (If I were to open, I suspect that many of our best scores would occur defending...)

[Echognome]

Ah, I forgot to follow up on this hand. I passed which I thought was clear. Opponents play in 2♠ making 3 our way. I figured on another day, opening would have me go minus. So I'd live to fight another day.

[hrothgar]

Jlall, on Mar 10 2006, 06:24 PM, said:

It's just a question of whether or not you have +EV from opening, everyone who posted thinks to seem you don't.

This may be somewhat off-topic, however, I think that its a big mistake to focus on expected value without also factoring variance into the mix...

[Echognome]

If you want to include variance, then it should probably state whether you are winning/losing the match or you are the better/worse team. For a bidding problem, we should normally assume these factors are neutral and focus on the expectation.

[joshs]

hrothgar, on Mar 10 2006, 10:40 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 10 2006, 06:24 PM, said:

It's just a question of whether or not you have +EV from opening, everyone who posted thinks to seem you don't.

This may be somewhat off-topic, however, I think that its a big mistake to focus on expected value without also factoring variance into the mix...

Why is that? The question didn't say if you were losing by 10 at the half, would you open? Or playing a team that is much worse than you, would you open?

In any case, its pretty much impossible to calculate to Covariance between the score at your table and the score at your teammates table (without a lot of info on the 4 players and systems at the other table), so good luck on the variance calculation...

This hand is not even close to a bid....

[akhare]

Pass -- I mean this hand doesn't even qualify using the Pearson count and there's no reason to believe that the opps. will take any other action at the other table.

Atul

[Sigi_BC84]

I don't know the Pearson count, but you have 25 Zar Points plus spade suit, so according to Zar this is a proper opener...

(At the table I would pass.)

--Sigi