[extrasolid]

Hello,

we play an interesting polish-club-system with some nice features (eg GF-raises in the majors with a following relaissystem, 2♦ weak, at least 4-4 in the majors). If anybody is interested he can write to extrasolid@gmx.net

Our last improvement is an exchange of the meaning of 1♥/♠. 1♥ shows 4+spades, 4 hearts are still possible. Then 1♠ from responder shows 4+hearts, no ♠-fit. After 1♣ - 1♠* - 1NT - 2♣ (magister) opener shows threecardsupport for hearts or 4spades with 2♠. Now 2NT has to be sign-off . Otherwise you could not search for a better partgame than 1NT.

Has anybody an idea how the exchange of the meanings could work better? The problem is not to miss a game with 4♠5♥?♦?♣

Ulrich

[DJNeill]

Hi Ulrich,
Play an enhanced 2-way checkback a la WJXXI. I am sure you can figure out a way to encode what you want in that structure somewhere.
link

Thanks,
Dan

[extrasolid]

Nice link; its not too easy when you do not understand one word of the polish language!

The 2-way-checkback is not really a solution, because you cant find your 4-4 Spade-fit cheaply; after 1♣ 1♠* 1NT 2♣* 2♦* you can bid 2♥ to play. But you can not find the 4-4-fit in Spades which anybody finds after 1♣ 1♥ 1♠ 2♠ PPP!

Ulrich

[glen]

Play two-way NMF, so that:

2♣ forces 2♦, and after opener bids this, responder passes with ♦ signoff or bids with any game invite, or bids 3NT to offer choice of game with 5♥s

2♦ is either:
1) Any Game Force
2) A signoff with 5+♥s and 4♠s

Opener assumes 2) at first and bids 2♥ or 2♠ - then responder passes with 2) and bids again with 1) - the cheapest bid asks opener to continue to describe hand.

So, for example,
1♣-1♠(showing ♥s)--1NT-2♦--2♥(prefers ♥s)-2♠ establishes a game force, says nothing about ♠s, and asks for a futher description.

[extrasolid]

Nice one; NOW i understand; thinking slow but at last...

I have suggested it to my P!

Ulrich

[MickyB]

I think Transfer Checkback has 2♥ as 5♥4♠ NF. 2♣ is a puppet to 2♦, as in Two-Way Checkback, and 2♦ is a transfer to hearts.

[Gerben42]

In my system I have included these "reverse major" bids also.

Basically, to deal with 5♥ 4♠ hands is a problem, I use 1♣ 2♥ = 5♥ 4♠ NF.

Basically you are in the same boat as everyone who plays that 1♣ 1♥ 1NT does not deny 4♠ and showing a balanced hand first is more important. 1- or 2-way Checkback of some sort is the solution.

1♣ 2♠ shows both minors, invitational.

This solves the problem that you have no bid after 1♣ 1♦ 1♠ (after 1♥ rebid from opener WJ uses 2♠ as the strong minor-oriented hand. No such bid is available if partner bids ♠, however).

Now another advantage is that you can use 1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 2♠ as a 6-card suit, 1♠ denying the very weak jump shift (i.e. 4/5♠)

[Free]

I used to play these inverted Majors. What we did was following:
- With weak hands, just start showing ♠ first (1♥ bid) even with longer ♥. Partner shows a 4 card ♥ by bidding 1♠ or something else. When responder now rebids 2♥, he has a weak hand with 5+♥ and 4♠. With 5♠ and 4♥, start the same, but rebid 2♠ (since partner doesn't have 4♥ anyway).
- With inv+ hands, show your longest Major first, and use full checkback (3-level responses also show the hand with maximum) to find out what you want.

This worked out great a lot of times! Biddings like 1♣-1♥-1NT-2♥ were no problem for us, but for other systems they were. Other hands didn't have much problems as well.

[luke warm]

Free, on Feb 27 2006, 06:50 AM, said:

This worked out great a lot of times! Biddings like 1♣-1♥-1NT-2♥ were no problem for us, but for other systems they were. Other hands didn't have much problems as well.

that shows 5 hearts and 4 spades? why not just open flannery

[Gerben42]

<whacks Luke> Partner opened, and... NEVER!

[benlessard]

An interesting way to reply to 1c is



1d = waiting denies 5M unbalanced

1h = 5s

-------1s-----1nt--S+ diam
---------------2c -- H
---------------2d-- 6s
---------------2h--S+C



1S = H+ C
1nt = H+ D
2c = 6H
2d = H+ S 0-8 or GF
2h = 5H + 4s 9-11 inv
2s + 5h + 4s GF 12 +


our 1c opening is 12-19 bal or 15-17 any shapes.


all Bids are 0 +
inv bids are 7-8



Its allow to GF early without playing positive or negative responses.

And its alos permit you to relay whatever you pts range wich is the key to a successfull relay bidding system IMHO.


Drawback is

you cannot stop in 2c unless opener is 15-17 with clubs.
you cant stop in 1nt if opener or responder have a 5M unbalanced.