[aisha759]

How would you play this hand?

Scoring: IMP

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bidding goes:

N: 1♥
E: X
S: P
W:2♣
N: X
E: 2♦
S:2 ♠
N: 4♠
E:X
K♣ lead RHO discarding Q ♦!!!

small ♣continuation, partner discarding K♦ as RHO ruffs with 6 ad returns A♦. Now what? Whats your plan?

Partner was accused of cheating for making this... (supposedely a kibber telling him where cards lie)
IMHO he played it like a pro ( but i am biased)
Your comment are appreciated ty:)
Aisha


PS actually showed all hands but removed EW but making it a play problem i guess

[ArtK78]

Why wouldn't you throw away the DK on the club continuation?

If anyone was cheating, it was West. His partner makes a takeout double, he holds AKJTxxxx of clubs, and he bids 2C?????? That is one of the most inexplicable bids I have ever seen.

And then he passes out 4Sx?????? He could be cold for a grand slam, and he is defending 4Sx which rates to make.

Me thinks the opponents protest too much.

[Echognome]

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Contract could be defeated with club ruff, spade, spade ruff. West tried to get his partner in to give him a ruff and his partner didn't see it. Tough luck.

[aisha759]

would be nice
to be able to ruff ♠ The only problem is
spades are trumps
READ POST MATT!!..so unles the rules of duplicate bridge have changed dramatically since about 4PM this afternoon...

happy ♥ day

[aisha759]

sorry Matt, didnt notice there were 2 symbols for the Hearts a black and a a red....... thats why you misundersood.. i do apologize
aisha
P.s. fixed it now

[kenberg]

First and by far the most important, some people need to grow up. When opponents play the hand well, the proper comment is "well-done".

Now as to the play. rho has no clubs and unless it's a strange deck he can have no more than eight diamonds and four spades. So he has at least one heart. If he has exactly one heart he could easily have defeated the contract by pitching a heart T1, getting a ruff, cashing the diamond ace and then his ace of trump. Ergo, at least 2 hearts unless he is drunk. But then he has at most 7 diamonds. This gives lho opponent a diamond and surely it would have seemed better to lead the diamond to his partner's ace rather than underlead his club to let declarer toss the diamond while weakening his partner's trump holding. So the opponents play is a little hard to figure. Either lho could have voided himself in hearts at T1 or rho could have led a diamond at T2.

Anyway, rho has long, probably quite long diamonds but not a great many hcps. Presumably the AJ of pades and the AQJ of diamonds. Doubling with this certainly suggests to me that he holds four spades, else he would just bid some diamonds. Or at least I would. So I play him for four spades.

Since you did not say what lho did at trick 3, I'll assume he follows suit. This makes rho either 4-3-6-0 or 4-2-7-0. I'll ruff the D on the board and lead a S, covering what is played (If the ace is played I'll duck). Assuming it goes, say, spade, 7, 8, club, I lead to the heart and play them from the top. If the third heart is ruffed, fine, since I can over ruff, ruff to board, ruff last heart, ruff to board, run hearts.. If the third heart is not ruffed, I ruff the fourth even if it is good, ruff a D back to the board, run hearts. (This last is an edit over an error when I first wrote this).


This might all be hooey, but it seems it must be something like this. Mostly it's really hard to see why lho did not lead a diamond T2, assuming he had one. Seems that is a reasonably obvious play and may well beat it since rho's trump holding should now be tough to handle.

[FrancesHinden]

I know why LHO didn't lead a diamond at trick 2: his partner discarded the DQ, which would usually tend to _deny_ the DA.

I would also play for spades to be originally 4-0. It is tempting to start with the SK from dummy next in case LHO has singleton Jack, but in that case you are only making on 4-0 trumps if RHO is 4360 (or 4270 with Jx hearts). Playing a spade to the 8 next only loses with singleton J on my (edited) left.

Any opponent who thinks 2C is the correct call on AKJ10xxxx in response to partner's take-out double can't be saying anything worth listening to.

[Free]

I suppose East has 4 ♠s, but not sure. I'll play ♥A, ruff a ♥ and play small ♠ to the K. I'll see how ♠ split. An alternative line imo is just cash ♠K and go for the ♥s afterwards.

[cherdano]

If East's bidding is to trust as much as West's, it is a pure guess. If they are a first-time partnership, or if East seems more experienced than West, I would also play spades to be 4-0.

[FrancesHinden]

Free, on Feb 14 2006, 12:39 PM, said:

I suppose East has 4 ♠s, but not sure.  I'll play ♥A, ruff a ♥ and play small ♠ to the K.  I'll see how ♠ split.  An alternative line imo is just cash ♠K and go for the ♥s afterwards.

Starting with the SK doesn't work if trumps are 4-0 and hearts don't run.

SK taken with the ace, diamond forcing dummy. Dummy now has 109 of spades and hearts, hand has Q8x of spades, 1 heart and minors. You try playing hearts from the top. If they all cash, you are fine: at some point RHO will ruff, you over-ruff, draw the last trump and cross back in trumps. But if RHO has 2, he ruffs the HQ and you can't make.

Alternatively, if you do start HA, H ruff then play a spade to the King, he wins and plays a diamond. You ruff in dummy, which has 109 of spades opposite your Q8 and you can try to run hearts. This does seem to work: you over-ruff, draw the last trump and cross with a minor suit ruff to finish the hearts. Perhaps this is a better line that the initial spade finesse.

[kenberg]

FrancesHinden, on Feb 14 2006, 06:04 AM, said:

I know why LHO didn't lead a diamond at trick 2: his partner discarded the DQ, which would usually tend to _deny_ the DA.

Without the king on the board I certainly would take the queen to deny the kiong. With the king on the board it is far from clear to me that the queen denies the ace. Perhaps I am wrong, I hope others will comment.

So he is playing doubler to hold something like

AQxx
xx
QJTxxxx
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It's still a little hard to see the point of the queen. A small diamond would presumably suffice. If the queen denies the ace, what's the point of it, unless it asks for a heart? Seems to me you get a club continuation by playing a small diamond. Still, with his actual hand, something like the 9 of diamonds would have been better, I agree. Just a clear spot rather than a possibly ambiguous honor.

The bidding, the play, and most especially the commentary of this pair mark them as not particularly good players who can't accept that their bad results are due to bad play rather than nefarious schemes. This really is my main point. Their comments are way out of line, however the cards really lie and however declarer played. I expect we all agree on this.

[jdeegan]

Ruff ♦ A. Play ♠K. If spades not originally 4-0, I am home free with enough entries to ruff out the hearts if need be. If spades started 4-0, then RHO will tap dummy again with a diamond. So, I finesse the spade and hope the hearts run.

Losing cases require LHO & RHO to have been either

void ......................... AJ7x
Jxxx .......................... xx
x.................................AQJ10xxx
AKJ10xxxx...................void

or

void............................. AJ7x
xx ............................... Jxxx
xxx ..............................AQJ10x
AKJ10xxxx.....................void

or

void...............................AJ7z
x...................................Jxxxx
xxxx..............................AQJ10
AKJ10xxxx......................void

None of these (except #1) appear to be even remotely likely given the auction. Of course, what can we expect from a pair where LHO sandbags an eight bagger, and RHO doubles with 12 HCP and a void in an unbid suit.

[bearmum]

aisha759, on Feb 14 2006, 12:41 PM, said:

How would you play this hand?

Dealer: North Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP

♠ KT943 ♥ AKQT73 ♦ K ♣ 3 ♠ Q852 ♥ 8 ♦ 6532 ♣ Q972

bidding goes:

N: 1♥
E: X
S: P
W:2♣
N: X
E: 2♦
S:2 ♠
N: 4♠
E:X
K♣ lead RHO discarding Q ♦!!!

small ♣continuation, partner discarding K♦ as RHO ruffs with 6 ad returns A♦. Now what? Whats your plan?

Partner was accused of cheating for making this... (supposedely a kibber telling him where cards lie)
IMHO he played it like a pro ( but i am biased)
Your comment are appreciated ty:)
Aisha


PS actually showed all hands but removed EW but making it a play problem i guess

BEWARE of using the word "cheating"


Is really unfair (AND could be considered to be libelous as there are MANY other reasons for getting a "good" score (I presume that is what happened on this hand??? )

Sometimes what looks really suspicious is just plain BAD bidding combined with good luck and one has to take the bad result

[Fluffy]

I'd probably play ♠ to the 8 at first, but the line Frances suggested seems better.