BBO Discussion Forums: Partner torture bid - Polish Club - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Partner torture bid - Polish Club

#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2006-February-16, 09:09

Hi everyone,

Yesterday I had the following auction:

1♣* Pass 1♦* Pass
1♥* Dbl 4♣ Pass

1♣: Polish ♣ (almost)
1♦:
-> 1. 0 - 6 any
-> 2. 7 - 11 no 4-card major and no other bid
-> 3. 16+ balanced without 4M or good 5m
1♥: almost forcing, may be 3 cards only if 12 - 14 balanced
Dbl: Take out of ♥

4♣: For you to find out

What is 4♣ and what do you bid on

Qx
QJxx
xx
AKJxx
(we include this hand into 1♣)
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#2 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,483
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2006-February-16, 09:15

How about

xx
KJ10xxx
Jxxxx
-

(splinter)
0

#3 User is offline   david_c 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,178
  • Joined: 2004-November-14
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Mathematics;<br>20th century classical music;<br>Composing.

Posted 2006-February-16, 10:56

:D

My first guess would be that this has the same meaning as

p : (p) : 1♥ : (x) , 4♣.

Whatever that might be (fit?). If this is impossible I'll have to think again.


Quote

(we include this hand into 1♣)

Nice. Just out of interest, what do you open with

♠ x
♥ QJxx
♦ Qxx
♣ AKJxx ?
0

#4 User is offline   joshs 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,082
  • Joined: 2006-January-23

Posted 2006-February-16, 11:32

Well if 1H can be 3 and a weak NT I would not want to bypass 3N with the 2425 or 1435 hands that have been suggested. What would you bid with those hands without the x over 1H?
And why don't those hands start with a natural 2C over 1C???
0

#5 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2006-February-16, 14:09

I don't particularly like that since we have to include all ♣ hands into 1♣ but that's how Tomek, Jutek and tomi2 play.

So also 1♣ on that.

1♦ denies a 4-card major unless 6 HCP or less.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#6 User is offline   luis 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,143
  • Joined: 2003-May-02
  • Location:Buenos Aires, Argentina

Posted 2006-February-16, 14:19

Since you may have a balanced hand without a real club suit I would say that 4♣ has to be a splinter.

Luis
The legend of the black octogon.
0

#7 User is offline   Chamaco 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,909
  • Joined: 2003-December-02
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rimini-Bologna (Italy)
  • Interests:Chess, Bridge, Jazz, European Cinema, Motorbiking, Tango dancing

Posted 2006-February-16, 16:43

If the 1H rebid guarantees 4+ clubs, then 4C by responder should NOT be a splinter ( I do not like splinters in pard's bid suit)...

I much prefer 4C as keycard for clubs.


If, instead the 1H rebid does not guarantee clubs, then the 4C bid seems like a real enigma to me, probably a splinter could be a possible meaning....
"Bridge is like dance: technique's important but what really matters is not to step on partner's feet !"
0

#8 User is offline   42 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 468
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Female
  • Interests:Music, Tango Argentino, bridge, cooking, languages, etc. :)

Posted 2006-February-16, 18:31

Responder did not bid
- 2♣ = GF with ♣s which buries 4♣ as KC
- 3♣ = 6 crds with 2 top honours
- XX

1♦ may include 5-11 pts with a m (5-6 cards, not qualifying for a jump to 3m)

Perhaps the intention of responder is to put as much pressure as possible on opps because the ♠s must be somewhere and 4♠ is down :P I listen to my inner voice and pass. But I did not yet talk to my psychiatrist... And it is really late...
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx)
0

#9 User is offline   joker_gib 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,384
  • Joined: 2004-February-16
  • Location:Belgium

Posted 2006-February-17, 02:44

I would take it as 5-6,H, very distributional with a huge ♥ fit and shortness in ♣

The kind of hand Frances gave.

Alain
Alain
0

#10 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2006-February-17, 03:05

Thanks for all who responded. Partner has:

xxxxx
KT9xxx
xx
-
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#11 User is offline   42 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 468
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Female
  • Interests:Music, Tango Argentino, bridge, cooking, languages, etc. :)

Posted 2006-February-17, 04:33

Gerben42, on Feb 17 2006, 10:05 AM, said:

Thanks for all who responded. Partner has:

xxxxx
KT9xxx
xx
-

Just returned from the psychiatrist. He said I should give up playing bridge and forget trying to understand men (3 minutes for 130 €).
Before I do: I didn't really think that partner had many ♣s. What I don't understand is the message of the SPL here. Why not 4♥?
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx)
0

#12 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2006-February-17, 04:45

Maybe you should forget playing bridge with your psychiatrist. Partner wanted to leave the door open for a slam in case I had a 18+ hand.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users