[Tomi2]

Scoring: IMP

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You open 1♦ (promising 4+ cards in unbal. hands or 5+ cards)
LHO 4♥
MHO 4♠
RHO 5♥

now you have many options but you pass at the table. This should be for sure a forcing pass, allowing your partner to bid his hand one more time

LHO pass
MHO dbl
RHO pass

what is your bid now?

This hand was from a German first League match and I hope to hear, what others would do with this hand

[hatchett]

Firstly I wouldn't play this as a forcing pass, 4♠ could be quite stretched

If I am sure my pass is forcing then surely I do not have a problem now.
If I thought I had a ♠ slam try then I bid 5♠. On the other hand if I couldn't decide whether to bid 5♠ or defend then I pass.

[Fluffy]

Support with support its a good rule and I will apply it

[cherdano]

Sorry, I don't understand your question. I am sure you don't want to force to slam with this hand, so there are 3 options:
1. Pass, then pass (hand that doesn't know whether to play or defend)
2. Bid 5♠ directly (hand that knows it doesn't want to defend)
3. Pass then bid 5♠ (hand that knows it doesn't want to defend and has slam interest)

You cannot logically decide your hand does not belong to category 2. without knowing whether it belongs to 1. or 3. (This is of course assuming you are using the above standard agreements about forcing pass, if you are using other agreements, you should have told us.)

I would choose 2., I am too worried partner might think good spades, heart single and ♣KQ, or heart void without club control are good enough for slam in case I pick 3.

Arend

[ArtK78]

No doubt this is a forcing pass situation, but partner would have no idea that you have Axxx in support of his 4S bid.

5S seems like an obvious call. You cannot pass with massive spade support, and you cannot bid slam with xx in hearts and xx in clubs.

[pclayton]

I do not agree this is a forcing pass situation.

What is pard supposed to do over 4♥ with: KQJxxx, x, xx, xxxx?

[HeartA]

oh well, I am the only one to vote for 6♠.

[kgr]

I would have bid 5♠ (iso Pass) over 5♥

[FrancesHinden]

I also don't think this is a forcing pass auction, so on the previous round I guessed whether to bid 5S or 6S.

[Gerben42]

I guess pass was forcing since we were red vs white. Since it was the FIRST league match I have to assume your dad had this one

I guess 5♠ now, I dunno.

[joker_gib]

Not especially a forcing pass for me too !

I'll will show my support to partner : 5♠

Alain

[Tomi2]

the question was not if this pass was forcing or not, the question was, if you may pass after pd's double when you bid your first pass as forcing pass - showing a slam try - or if you should bid something now

my father had this hand, he played against other german star players and he passed the 5♥ bid as he was sure for him and his partner this IS a forcing pass situation.

Our problem is the next bid after the double.

[Gerben42]

Right, after the double I bid 5♠.

[kgr]

Tomi2, on Feb 27 2006, 02:47 PM, said:

the question was not if this pass was forcing or not, the question was, if you may pass after pd's double when you bid your first pass as forcing pass - showing a slam try - or if you should bid something now

my father had this hand, he played against other german star players and he passed the 5♥ bid as he was sure for him and his partner this IS a forcing pass situation.

Our problem is the next bid after the double.

If playing forcing pass, I wonder what is best here:
- Pass and bid 5S afterwards, which is a slam invite.
- Bid 5S immediatly, which should be an offensive-rather minimal hand.
We don't control hearts and clubs, so maybe it is better to bid 5S immediatly?

[Tomi2]

kgr, on Feb 27 2006, 07:59 AM, said:

We don't control hearts and clubs, so maybe it is better to bid 5S immediatly?

E/W have bid 5♥, you have two cards, so if they have ONLY 10 cards your p has singe but he might have a heart void if ops have 11 cards in their suit.