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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2006-February-09, 07:50

An interesting auction from last night:

1NT (Pass) 2♣ (Dbl)
Rdbl (Pass)

Rdbl shows usually 5 decent ♣ and happy to play 2♣XX. If as partner you are NOT happy playing 2♣xx you have to bid something.

Playing garbage Stayman (only allowed rebids 2♦♥♠), how would you interpret:
2♦
2♥
2♠
2NT
3♣?!

aft er this auction? Is your partner on the same page? ;)
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Posted 2006-February-09, 08:11

I suppose it depends a little on how garbagy the 2C can be. Personally I would never do it with 4-4-3-2 and no points but I have a partner who would. So when I run, I am not 4-4-3-2. With that shape I will have enough values to happily sit. If I am, say, 5-4-2-2 and very very weak I think I want to run to my five card suit and will do so. If I am 4-4-4-1, I want to be able to bid 2D.

I have no idea if partner is on the same page. Actually I play garbage stayman only on request and so it's up to the requester to tell me these things.

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Posted 2006-February-09, 08:21

I would take:
2♦ as garbage Stayman-hand (4441 or the like)
2♥ as garabe Stayman with both majors
2♠ natural invitational, proabably 5=4 in the majors
2N natural
3♣ Re-Stayman
3M Smolen if you play that
2N to play
3N to play

I would be very surprised about a 2N or 3N bid, however.

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Posted 2006-February-09, 09:17

Depends on what you do with weak hands with 5-4M: garbage or transfer. Normally transfer works out better, so lets only consider 4-4 or 5-5M...

2♦: garbage with some ♦s and absolutely no fit ♣
2♥: garbage with both Majors and absolutely no fit ♣, so should be 5-5 imo
2♠: plz kill me partner
2NT: plz kill me partner, I really want to die
3♣: plz kill me partner, I'm suicidal but don't have the guts
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Posted 2006-February-09, 09:17

I would be very surprised by a 2NT bid (or indeed a 3NT bid).
As for the others, 2 of a suit is natural and weak.
3C is 0 or 1 clubs, good hand.
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Posted 2006-February-09, 10:43

FrancesHinden, on Feb 9 2006, 05:17 PM, said:

I would be very surprised by a 2NT bid (or indeed a 3NT bid).
As for the others, 2 of a suit is natural and weak.
3C is 0 or 1 clubs, good hand.

I can't see how 2♥ can be a one-suited hand in the context of a standard American 1NT structure.
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Posted 2006-February-09, 13:46

I agree (I think) with Frances.

2 of a suit is natural and weak, but it is clearly not a one-suiter, and I do not think that Frances meant that it was. Whether 2♦ could/should show 5 (perhaps some 5431 short ♣ and appalling hand?) or be 4441 is open to question but I would consider it possible.

2N should not be biddable, nor should 3N.

3♣ would, for me, be gf 4=4=4=1 or 4=4=5=0.

3♥/♠ smolen, almost certainly with a stiff or void ♣: with a gf 5422 or 4522, I'd make them pay for the double :lol:
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Posted 2006-February-09, 14:04

I would agree with Arend and would accept Frances' interpretation of 3♣.

Now THERES a bid you'll see once in a lifetime (maybe). :lol:
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