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Competitive bidding The 4 level

Poll: what are you bidding? (20 member(s) have cast votes)

what are you bidding?

  1. Pass (16 votes [80.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4 spades (4 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

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#1 User is offline   Kalvan14 

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Posted 2006-January-24, 17:49

Scoring: MP

(1H)*-X-(3H)**-3S-(4H) - ?


(*): 1♥: 5 cards, max 15 HCP
(**): 3♥: a good raise to 2♥
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Posted 2006-January-24, 17:56

Kalvan14, on Jan 24 2006, 06:49 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(1H)*-X-(3H)**-3S-(4H) - ?


(*): 1♥: 5 cards, max 15 HCP
(**): 3♥: a good raise to 2♥

Pass (in tempo) -- you have already shown your hand and have reasonable defensive values. Partner should be well placed to take the appropriate action.

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Posted 2006-January-24, 17:57

pass. Doesn't seem unlikely that both 4Ms are down.
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Posted 2006-January-24, 18:00

i'm sitting south and doubled 1♥? what was my plan over (1h) x (p) 2d? ... anyway, we have 2 heart losers opposite a 9 card fit, but my other points are in good shape... i can't double i don't think, partner's 3♠ wasn't earth shaking.. i think i'll just pass quietly
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Posted 2006-January-24, 18:13

luke warm, on Jan 24 2006, 07:00 PM, said:

i'm sitting south and doubled 1♥? what was my plan over (1h) x (p) 2d? ... anyway, we have 2 heart losers opposite a 9 card fit, but my other points are in good shape... i can't double i don't think, partner's 3♠ wasn't earth shaking.. i think i'll just pass quietly

If the bidding goes (1♥)-X-(P)-2♦-(P), I am going to pass too.
This auction is quite unlikely, though: if the oppos do not fit in hearts, why pard did not bid 1NT?

The auction might rather be (1♥)-X-(2♥)-3♦-(P), and I pass in this case too.

Maybe the most interesting topic would be what to do with the posted hand when RHO opens 1♥.

Not playing Raptor, I think I have 3 options:
  • pass (and decide what to do when the bidding goes (1H)-P-(3H)-P-(P)
  • bid 2C (good lead indication, but I'm likely to have to lead against a heart contract). Again if it comes back at the 3-level, I may be in a quandary.
  • double, as I did. Not the perfect shape, but a reasonable one. And at MP it pays to get in sooner than later.
I was ashamed to add the 4th option (1♠ :( )
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Posted 2006-January-25, 03:38

And don't be afraid to embrace the 5th option: Play Raptor.
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Posted 2006-January-25, 05:46

Gerben42, on Jan 25 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

And don't be afraid to embrace the 5th option: Play Raptor.

Give it a 6th option: Play Freewill overcalls. :unsure:
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Posted 2006-January-25, 06:12

What are Freewill overcalls? Please enlighten me (if need be by PM not to bore the other posters)
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Posted 2006-January-25, 08:10

I imagine something him and hrothgar invented. I'd quite like to know too. It can't be any more boring than MisIry, no offence Ben.
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Posted 2006-January-25, 08:19

FREEWILL overcalls: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...=0&#entry114705

It's something I play with my f2f partner "WILLem" :P
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Posted 2006-January-25, 09:48

Agree completely with the X here. The risk of playing a 4-2 is very small and overrated. Getting to a 5-2 at the three level is a possibility, but that's not a complete disaster and you will be hard pressed to get strains other than clubs into play after a 2C overcall. I don't even find X to be a least of evils call, I embrace it.
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Posted 2006-January-25, 09:57

mr1303, on Jan 25 2006, 05:10 PM, said:

I imagine something him and hrothgar invented. I'd quite like to know too. It can't be any more boring than MisIry, no offence Ben.

I had nothing to do with Freewill Overcalls. However, it looks like some uholy cross between Frelling and Lionel
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